Sofia Vergara is being sued by frozen embryos (General Discussion)
DaMUBadLieutenantpluckylumpI can't imagine he will have any standing to file this lawsuit.I doubt cross-examination of the embryos will prove fertile. Agreed, but they shouldn't have gone after her nest egg.
BadLieutenantpluckylumpI can't imagine he will have any standing to file this lawsuit.I doubt cross-examination of the embryos will prove fertile.
pluckylumpI can't imagine he will have any standing to file this lawsuit.
Maria Schneider was for real Raped in Last Tango in Paris (General Discussion)
crumbsroomWell, the reality is that my point was broader than what you think it is. I would have hoped that you'd at least give the benefit of the doubt that my end game when it comes to the problem with rape and sexual assault being talked about, prosecuted, eradicated, is the same as yours. And whether my opinion on this was ultimately right or wrong, which I'm always more than willing to consider with my opinions, it was clear there was going to be no proper discussion of it since any improper word that I used was going to get your 'rape apologist' police after me. And, just because you didn't outright call me that, doesn't mean you weren't wielding such an easy discussion ender as that pretty heavily.There is obviously nothing to discuss here. I've tried thinking of a myriad of ways to make it clearer what my whole point is getting at, but I'm not going to give you anything else to misconstrue. Let's leave it all at you being 100% correct. Is that fair?
Janson JinnistanBless you.
crumbsroomOr maybe you could not keep drawing allusions to everyone who disagrees with you in this thread as being rape apologists for fuck's sake. I'm sure you read Takoma's posts. She was able to articulate how myself and Janson and Yarn's approach to this thread was a problem to her, which was all fair, and at the same time was able to at least show some evidence that she understood what our ultimate point was, even if she wasn't at all on board with it. And the whole time she didn't have to make any of these garbage references to how those who might bring up a different point of view here aren't somehow in bed with rape culture.In short, you are a smart poster who I like, but this is a shit thread, and everything in it is awful and it all really needs to stop. We're all better than this.
ergill sanchezThe former in the midst of a from-the-start-too-long discussion of buttery digits (one you've threatened to restart here on page 11), the latter part of the ongoing saga of rape semantics. You were part of the thicket, pluck.
ergill sanchezWell, my entree into this was your post, so I went into the article expecting something more rape than rapey. Instead I came out grossed out by the general picture of two old men colluding to humiliate a girl, not really clear on what was or wasn't simulated. Then I read her interview, which seemed to hew even less to your lede. Then I came back here and saw Janson's response. My first thought was, this can go one of two ways: you could say, "Ok, maybe rape, maybe not, it's not clear, but we can agree on the more important point that it was exploitative and totally awful," or everyone could descend into skeevy pseudo-scholastic debates (no thanks), accusations and counter-accusations and pulpiteering. The word ended up being a distraction. Kind of like if someone posted an article and said it detailed "actually definitively genocide" committed by the US in Iraq, and then you go on to read it and it details our execrable but-not-obviously-genocidal policies. "I hope we don't lose our focus here!" someone says.
WEB-PITS!! (General Discussion)
BaadronepluckylumpDidn't Favreau's character die?No. He was in a coma. Does it even matter now that we have web-pits?
pluckylumpDidn't Favreau's character die?
BadLieutenantpluckylumpDidn't Favreau's character die?He exploded, but he got better.
ergill sanchezYou started the thread turning "I felt a little raped" into "She was actually definitely raped," a tabloidy extrapolation, and hand-waving "assault of a sexual nature. That's rape," which is just wrong. I feel like if someone else posted this without the editorializing and the heedless heel-digging, we wouldn't be here right now.
Janson JinnistanpluckylumpIt's almost like rape is super complicated and making definitive statements about it is difficult if not dangerous."For real".
pluckylumpIt's almost like rape is super complicated and making definitive statements about it is difficult if not dangerous.
Janson JinnistanAnd, plucky? ?I took a recess from foreplay to post this so I hope you're happy.
ergill sanchezPremature to what? There will never be a time that we can't doubt someone's testimony based off of pure speculation. But since the thread was predicated on believing and respecting her testimony, and the integrity of testimony is such an important subject here, that's not casual route to take.
ergill sanchezI haven't said you demanded it was always true. I disagreed with your contention that it can always be invoked as a credible possibility.
ergill sanchezAll manner of things are "well documented facts." Lying is a well documented fact. Misunderstanding is a well documented fact. That doesn't mean they're credibly invoked in every given case or that they can't be deeply patronizing to the person you're supposedly defending.
ergill sanchezInsofar as everyone has called it horrible and a sort of sexual assault, I feel like the so-called middle ground has been in sight from early on. You've set yourself at pretty high pitch, however, and rubbed Janson the wrong way, who set himself at a haughty pitch and rubbed you the wrong way. Whatever happens, I'm not going to talk about phantom digits.
ergill sanchezBut how badly do you need the possibility that she's internalized rape culture? Enough that Janson is obligated to credit it in every given case? Enough to invoke this with no evidence whatsoever in order to dismiss parts of her testimony that don't jibe with the story you want to tell? ?I feel like that's the tail wagging the dog. Her story doesn't have to have the nascent possibility of every aspect of rape culture in order for it to matter or for said aspects to exist separately. It doesn't have to hold everything on its shoulders.
I'm starting to fear the inevitability of President Trump (General Discussion)
AllegedlyYarnIn the interview I read (and quoted), Schneider stated that she was, in fact, informed of the butter and its intended use before they shot the scene. It seems, the problem here isn't with the nature of the touching, per se, but rather the apparently coerced consent (i.e,, the age difference, prestige difference, time pressure, potential threat to future employment). That is, if Brando had been "inspired," told the director, and then they approached her with the idea, and given her a day or two to consider the creative choice, and if later, without being pressured or coerced, she agreed to the butter application, then it would not have been an offense, right?? ?
AllegedlyYarnWhat do you think of what happened to the actress in Brown Bunny? Or to Sean Young in Blade Runner?