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MosesBIG3 looks like it has a chance to hit, and Ice Cube is going to be very rich.

I almost went to that in Brooklyn yesterday. Ended up getting sunburned on the beach instead.
Jun 26, 2017 1:58 PM
HurricaneKid
HoboJoe
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Paris the GoatThe only good reason I've heard so far for Boston not beating that offer was that they think they have Hayward in the bank, but getting Butler might scare him away since there wouldn't be enough touches to go around.

Boston can't get both Butler and Hayward for cap reasons. Even if they made a salary neutral trade for Butler they can't afford Horford & Hayward on maxes with Isaiah getting paid next summer and Butler free agent eligible in 2019.

Then again, what the hell do I know? RealGM reports Boston is engaged on an extend-and-trade with Paul George, contingent on them signing Hayward first.

That's what the Indy FO wants the LAL front office to believe. I'm sure PGs people have already told the Lakers not to fret.

Hard to see that getting reported without some indication George would sign an extension. Ergo there's probably something behind it.
Jun 23, 2017 10:46 PM
HoboJoe
Paris the GoatThe only good reason I've heard so far for Boston not beating that offer was that they think they have Hayward in the bank, but getting Butler might scare him away since there wouldn't be enough touches to go around.

Boston can't get both Butler and Hayward for cap reasons. Even if they made a salary neutral trade for Butler they can't afford Horford & Hayward on maxes with Isaiah getting paid next summer and Butler free agent eligible in 2019.

Then again, what the hell do I know? RealGM reports Boston is engaged on an extend-and-trade with Paul George, contingent on them signing Hayward first.
Jun 23, 2017 7:07 PM
Paris the Goat
HoboJoe
wirthlingIf Butler breaks his leg while Markannen becomes Nowitzki 2.0, the Bulls will have the last laugh. But right now, as a T-Wolves fan (yes, I'm still pretending to be one), I'm laughing.

I had high hopes for Dunn but he really did not look worth the hype last year. He can still become a star if he can learn to shoot and reduce his TOs but that's enough ifs to be OK with his leaving.

And I really like Lavine's capacity to put up a lot of points and his affinity for exciting plays, but scoring and exciting plays are not going to be a problem for this team.

Provided they beef up the bench, this looks like a team that could potentially take one game in a series against the Warriors!

That was an incredibly good trade for you guys. LaVine looks good but kinda sucks, and Dunn looks bad and definitely sucks.

The biggest problem with LaVine is he isn't cheap after this year.

The biggest problem with LaVine is that he isn't that good, which we all know because Minny played better once he went down with an injury. Not to go all Simmons on him, but would he even start on a good playoff team? I doubt it.
Jun 23, 2017 5:09 PM
wirthlingIf Butler breaks his leg while Markannen becomes Nowitzki 2.0, the Bulls will have the last laugh. But right now, as a T-Wolves fan (yes, I'm still pretending to be one), I'm laughing.

I had high hopes for Dunn but he really did not look worth the hype last year. He can still become a star if he can learn to shoot and reduce his TOs but that's enough ifs to be OK with his leaving.

And I really like Lavine's capacity to put up a lot of points and his affinity for exciting plays, but scoring and exciting plays are not going to be a problem for this team.

Provided they beef up the bench, this looks like a team that could potentially take one game in a series against the Warriors!

That was an incredibly good trade for you guys. LaVine looks good but kinda sucks, and Dunn looks bad and definitely sucks.
Jun 23, 2017 4:43 PM
Paris the Goat
HoboJoeI think it's a combination of Boston feeling confident about Hayward, but mostly Chicago being complete dumbasses. Why do they make that horrible trade now instead of waiting until free agency or the trade deadline? No fucking way they don't get a better offer once free agency starts or at the deadline. If they wait a week and Boston strikes out with Hayward they could probably get Crowder + Bradley or Smart + future Celtics/Clippers/Memphis picks. Maybe they fell in love with Markkanen? Who knows, but it's such a horrible trade that it's hard for me to think the Bulls were acting rationally.

Chicago, for the life of them, cannot evaluate point guards properly. They liked Dunn last year, and a year of playing like crap in Minnesota did nothing to change their minds.

They also traded a real NBA role player for Michael Carter Williams, who couldn't stay on the court for more than 5 minutes in the playoffs after Rondo went down.
Jun 23, 2017 3:49 PM
Paris the GoatThe only good reason I've heard so far for Boston not beating that offer was that they think they have Hayward in the bank, but getting Butler might scare him away since there wouldn't be enough touches to go around.

Boston can't get both Butler and Hayward for cap reasons. Even if they made a salary neutral trade for Butler they can't afford Horford & Hayward on maxes with Isaiah getting paid next summer and Butler free agent eligible in 2019.
Jun 23, 2017 3:23 PM
I think it's a combination of Boston feeling confident about Hayward, but mostly Chicago being complete dumbasses. Why do they make that horrible trade now instead of waiting until free agency or the trade deadline? No fucking way they don't get a better offer once free agency starts or at the deadline. If they wait a week and Boston strikes out with Hayward they could probably get Crowder + Bradley or Smart + future Celtics/Clippers/Memphis picks. Maybe they fell in love with Markkanen? Who knows, but it's such a horrible trade that it's hard for me to think the Bulls were acting rationally.
Jun 23, 2017 3:19 PM
BigwigAinge may not hit on every decision, but I have come to love his management style. It's like Sam Hinkie without the cunt.

If nothing else he has huge balls and doesn't give a fuck what anyone thinks of his decisions
Jun 23, 2017 1:00 PM
Esoteric AllusionThe Celtics couldn't outbid Minnesota on that trade? Maybe Danny Ainge just has a serious hoarding problem.

Word is that Ainge refused to add #3 or either of Brooklyn or LAL/SAC picks. Apparently he refused #3 straight up for Butler. Ainge must feel good about Gordon Hayward.
Jun 23, 2017 1:09 AM
Knicks took Frankie Nicotine over Dennis Smith Jr or Malik Monk. That's two teams in the top 8 that have fucked up.
Jun 23, 2017 12:25 AM
I'm equally glad that Boston took Tatum as I am terrified of the possibility Ainge trades him for a rental of PG13.
Jun 23, 2017 12:18 AM
chunkyloverJimmy Butler to Minnesota for Lavine, Dunn, and No. 7 is apparently close to happening.

Edit: And No. 16 pick.

And Chicago is picking Markannin. ?What a fucking awful trade by Chicago.
Jun 23, 2017 12:17 AM
Paris the Goat
HoboJoeLiterally as I post that Phil outright says he wants #3, Brown, Crowder, and 2018 Brooklyn pick. Still too much - swap Brooklyn pick for Bradley or later pick(s) and he's got a deal.

I wouldn't do #3, Brown and Crowder for Porzingis, let alone throwing a cherry on top.

I would do #3, Brown, and Crowder, but a lot of that depends on if Hayward is coming or not. Would add a later 1st or two but not both Bradley and Brown, probably just typed that too quickly.
Jun 22, 2017 7:44 PM
Literally as I post that Phil outright says he wants #3, Brown, Crowder, and 2018 Brooklyn pick. Still too much - swap Brooklyn pick for Bradley or later pick(s) and he's got a deal.
Jun 22, 2017 6:29 PM
HurricaneKid
HoboJoe
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Esoteric AllusionYou're writing this post like you are actively engaging in a negotiation. You just should write what you think is reasonable, not a low-ball offer to see if Jackson will bite. Phil Jackson isn't posting here. Yes, Ainge should offer Marcus Smart if he thinks Jackson will bite at that. Assuming Jackson is going act as an idealized GM, like how we ordinarily discuss our opinion of reasonable trades, then he should expect more than what you offered. If not, pull him off the market.

There's supposedly a offer frenzy for Porzingis out there and I think you're wrong about the quality of offers he can pull in from non-Celtic teams. Porzingis should command a very high price. He's one of the best trade values in the entire league and has a rare body-type skill set that you can build a team around. You need to demand a lot for that or not trade him.

I think the Celtics would be wise to start cashing in their assets so they can translate what are ultimately lottery tickets into actualized talent that fits within a competitive window. If the Knicks are going to trade a young franchise player, they should ask for a lot tickets if that's what they are getting in return. Read a list of #2, #3 picks and see what the range of possibilities are there.

I'm fully aware of how valuable a player like Porzingis is and what a 'fair' trade looks like. I'm writing these posts while actually following the rumors circulating around the league. Those rumors are, in order that they've appeared:

1) Phil took calls on Porzingis starting a few days ago (the feeding frenzy you refer to)
2) The initial price was ridiculously high and no team would meet it (or he'd be gone already)
3) Phil is strongly interested in Josh Jackson, would include Porzingis in a package for him

I offer that 'lowball' deal because no other team can guarantee Josh Jackson and match/beat that offer. Woj just tweeted that Phoenix won't give up Booker in any deal, which confirms that. Boston would be bidding against themselves, which is never smart. If Phil comes back and says give me Jaylen Brown and Zizic too, Ainge should pull the trigger but there's zero reason to start there.

There's no reason to assume Phil is acting as an idealized GM. An ideal GM wouldn't be alienating his players in the first place, and wouldn't be actively shopping Porzingis in the first place, especially for Josh Jackson. Should it come out that Phil just wants the best possible package then of course Ainge should up it, but that's yet to happen, and when Phil first fielded general offers no one bit on his price.

Keep in mind that Boston isn't cashing in all of their chips unless it makes them a real title contender. That's why they didn't go all in for Butler or George at the deadline. I'm only cashing all those chips in for a guy like Anthony Davis, i.e. someone who can be the best guy on a title team. Porzingis certainly isn't that guy today and won't be during the Thomas/Horford window. A team with Thomas, Bradley, Hayward, Porzingis and Horford isn't beating Golden State. So no, I'm not giving up the farm for him.


The more I see what Ainge is doing, the more it looks like he is going the other way on this. That he is going to go with a Tatum/Zizic/Brown/Rozier/2018 Nets/2018 Lakers or 2019 Sac/etc. Which to me should indicate they should want to trade assets from the older group of: Horford/IT2/Jae and either Smart or AB. Because if you could add Zinger to that young list of assets that is a lot more impressive to me moving forward than adding Hayward would be to their chances of winning a title in the next few years.

The truth is, this feels more like a shot across the bow to me than any actual willingness to trade Porzingis. If he trades the unicorn for anything less than a majestic haul he is going to be chased back to the west coast quickly. Any notion that he can be had cheaply is comical.

I agree - that's why he didn't trade the farm for Butler or George at the deadline. He can still have it both ways with Hayward because he costs nothing but cap space, and any trade for Porzingis will almost certainly increase Boston's cap room - even just KP straight up for #3 would reduce their cap enough to sign him (not that Jackson would take just that).

#3, Bradley, Crowder, and another non Nets/Lakers/Kings pick asset would be heaven for Boston. I'd include Brown in that category as much as I'd hate to see him go.

Latest reports are that no one is willing to meet Phil's asking price but talks are still ongoing.
Jun 22, 2017 6:26 PM
HoboJoe
Esoteric AllusionYou're writing this post like you are actively engaging in a negotiation. You just should write what you think is reasonable, not a low-ball offer to see if Jackson will bite. Phil Jackson isn't posting here. Yes, Ainge should offer Marcus Smart if he thinks Jackson will bite at that. Assuming Jackson is going act as an idealized GM, like how we ordinarily discuss our opinion of reasonable trades, then he should expect more than what you offered. If not, pull him off the market.

There's supposedly a offer frenzy for Porzingis out there and I think you're wrong about the quality of offers he can pull in from non-Celtic teams. Porzingis should command a very high price. He's one of the best trade values in the entire league and has a rare body-type skill set that you can build a team around. You need to demand a lot for that or not trade him.

I think the Celtics would be wise to start cashing in their assets so they can translate what are ultimately lottery tickets into actualized talent that fits within a competitive window. If the Knicks are going to trade a young franchise player, they should ask for a lot tickets if that's what they are getting in return. Read a list of #2, #3 picks and see what the range of possibilities are there.

I'm fully aware of how valuable a player like Porzingis is and what a 'fair' trade looks like. I'm writing these posts while actually following the rumors circulating around the league. Those rumors are, in order that they've appeared:

1) Phil took calls on Porzingis starting a few days ago (the feeding frenzy you refer to)
2) The initial price was ridiculously high and no team would meet it (or he'd be gone already)
3) Phil is strongly interested in Josh Jackson, would include Porzingis in a package for him

I offer that 'lowball' deal because no other team can guarantee Josh Jackson and match/beat that offer. Woj just tweeted that Phoenix won't give up Booker in any deal, which confirms that. Boston would be bidding against themselves, which is never smart. If Phil comes back and says give me Jaylen Brown and Zizic too, Ainge should pull the trigger but there's zero reason to start there.

There's no reason to assume Phil is acting as an idealized GM. An ideal GM wouldn't be alienating his players in the first place, and wouldn't be actively shopping Porzingis in the first place, especially for Josh Jackson. Should it come out that Phil just wants the best possible package then of course Ainge should up it, but that's yet to happen, and when Phil first fielded general offers no one bit on his price.

Keep in mind that Boston isn't cashing in all of their chips unless it makes them a real title contender. That's why they didn't go all in for Butler or George at the deadline. I'm only cashing all those chips in for a guy like Anthony Davis, i.e. someone who can be the best guy on a title team. Porzingis certainly isn't that guy today and won't be during the Thomas/Horford window. A team with Thomas, Bradley, Hayward, Porzingis and Horford isn't beating Golden State. So no, I'm not giving up the farm for him.
Jun 22, 2017 11:32 AM
Esoteric AllusionYou're writing this post like you are actively engaging in a negotiation. You just should write what you think is reasonable, not a low-ball offer to see if Jackson will bite. Phil Jackson isn't posting here. Yes, Ainge should offer Marcus Smart if he thinks Jackson will bite at that. Assuming Jackson is going act as an idealized GM, like how we ordinarily discuss our opinion of reasonable trades, then he should expect more than what you offered. If not, pull him off the market.

There's supposedly a offer frenzy for Porzingis out there and I think you're wrong about the quality of offers he can pull in from non-Celtic teams. Porzingis should command a very high price. He's one of the best trade values in the entire league and has a rare body-type skill set that you can build a team around. You need to demand a lot for that or not trade him.

I think the Celtics would be wise to start cashing in their assets so they can translate what are ultimately lottery tickets into actualized talent that fits within a competitive window. If the Knicks are going to trade a young franchise player, they should ask for a lot tickets if that's what they are getting in return. Read a list of #2, #3 picks and see what the range of possibilities are there.

I'm fully aware of how valuable a player like Porzingis is and what a 'fair' trade looks like. I'm writing these posts while actually following the rumors circulating around the league. Those rumors are, in order that they've appeared:

1) Phil took calls on Porzingis starting a few days ago (the feeding frenzy you refer to)
2) The initial price was ridiculously high and no team would meet it (or he'd be gone already)
3) Phil is strongly interested in Josh Jackson, would include Porzingis in a package for him

I offer that 'lowball' deal because no other team can guarantee Josh Jackson and match/beat that offer. Woj just tweeted that Phoenix won't give up Booker in any deal, which confirms that. Boston would be bidding against themselves, which is never smart. If Phil comes back and says give me Jaylen Brown and Zizic too, Ainge should pull the trigger but there's zero reason to start there.

There's no reason to assume Phil is acting as an idealized GM. An ideal GM wouldn't be alienating his players in the first place, and wouldn't be actively shopping Porzingis in the first place, especially for Josh Jackson. Should it come out that Phil just wants the best possible package then of course Ainge should up it, but that's yet to happen, and when Phil first fielded general offers no one bit on his price.
Jun 22, 2017 11:23 AM
HoboJoe
Esoteric Allusion
HoboJoe
Esoteric AllusionI'd trade Porzingis for the #3, Zizic, Brown, and their next high-end pick.

Seems like a lot, but I think Boston would be smart to cash in their chips for that. Porzingis is a freak of nature that I'm sure Brad Stevens could maximize. ?Win/Win.


If Phil is seriously considering trading Porzingis because he wants Jackson that's too much to give up. Philly isn't trading for him period and LAL isn't trading number 2 plus another big asset. Phoenix isn't trading #4 and Booker, and Sacramento has nothing to trade other than #10, and Jackson will likely be gone by then anyway.

Phil has said before that his biggest mistake was not picking Jae Crowder. If I'm Boston I offer #3 (guaranteed to be Jackson), Crowder, either Smart or Bradley, and a later round first or two. No one else with a shot at Jackson is beating that offer.

You know, they could just not trade Porzingis, right? That's a joke offer.

Of course Phil shouldn't trade Porzingis. But the operating assumption is that Phil wants to trade him to get Josh Jackson. Phil is not getting a better offer than that Boston deal unless LA trades #2 and Ingram or if Phoenix trades #4 and Booker, neither of which are happening.

If Phil comes back and says he'll only do it for #3, Crowder, Brown, and Zizic I'd still do it. But the operating assumption is that Jackson wants Jackson, so why bid against yourself if you're Boston?

Also, as good as Porzingis is I'm not giving up #3, Brown, and their best 2018 pick plus Zizic. 2018 has three potential generational big men in the top 4 plus Doncic, and Boston has two lottery swings to get one. Too much to give up.
Jun 22, 2017 3:51 AM
Esoteric Allusion
HoboJoe
Esoteric AllusionI'd trade Porzingis for the #3, Zizic, Brown, and their next high-end pick.

Seems like a lot, but I think Boston would be smart to cash in their chips for that. Porzingis is a freak of nature that I'm sure Brad Stevens could maximize. ?Win/Win.


If Phil is seriously considering trading Porzingis because he wants Jackson that's too much to give up. Philly isn't trading for him period and LAL isn't trading number 2 plus another big asset. Phoenix isn't trading #4 and Booker, and Sacramento has nothing to trade other than #10, and Jackson will likely be gone by then anyway.

Phil has said before that his biggest mistake was not picking Jae Crowder. If I'm Boston I offer #3 (guaranteed to be Jackson), Crowder, either Smart or Bradley, and a later round first or two. No one else with a shot at Jackson is beating that offer.

You know, they could just not trade Porzingis, right? That's a joke offer.

Of course Phil shouldn't trade Porzingis. But the operating assumption is that Phil wants to trade him to get Josh Jackson. Phil is not getting a better offer than that Boston deal unless LA trades #2 and Ingram or if Phoenix trades #4 and Booker, neither of which are happening.

If Phil comes back and says he'll only do it for #3, Crowder, Brown, and Zizic I'd still do it. But the operating assumption is that Jackson wants Jackson, so why bid against yourself if you're Boston?
Jun 22, 2017 3:48 AM