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The first article I read on this topic, earlier today, said that the lyrics to "Mr Tambourine Man" are included in The Norton Introduction to Literature, which is apparently used in many high school and college courses. And apparently he's been in consideration for the Nobel for years. In that same article, a Nobel spokesperson made note of the fact that his poetry is set to music but pointed out that much Greek poetry, that we think of as literature, was also performed to music. I also saw a comment about Winston Churchill winning for his speeches as another relatively unusual example.
Oct 13, 2016 6:38 PM
Zuben
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Arrenbas
Infinitus Corsair
I didn't say it was arbitrary. I'm arguing that context matters. On the vast majority of disputed matters, I'm going to be agnostic in the absence of meaningful evidence. Maybe less than "clear and convincing" but probably more than a mere preponderance. Especially when the evidence is thin. It's one thing to say "John is probably a rapist" if the preponderance of a lot of evidence cuts slightly in that direction, but when the evidence is slight, I'm probably going to need it to be more definitive to reach a meaningful conclusion.

I think you saw this in the Cosby situation. All of the evidence was similar in nature - accusations of rape from alleged victims. After the first few such claims, much of it was still dismissed by many people. But as more and more similar claims were made, more people were comfortable assuming his guilt. None of it was more definitive, there was simply more of it.

Exactly. Bill Cosby I'm more than comfortable shunning and shaming. And we have.

Cosby wasn't really outed publicly until literally dozens of women, for decades, had been telling people that he raped them. Part of the reason it happened that way is because of the tendency for people to shrug their shoulders when women say they've been raped.?

But that's IC's point. At some stage, the volume of evidence outweighs the similarity of the evidence. A little and you're not convinced. A lot and you are. This is why he said that for a small amount of evidence, he'd want to be really damn sure it was accurate. For a large amount of similar evidence, we lower our standards for each piece as the volume is what starts to convince us, even though it's just more of the same evidence that we dismiss in small quantities.
Oct 9, 2016 4:24 AM
Infinitus Corsair
I didn't say it was arbitrary. I'm arguing that context matters. On the vast majority of disputed matters, I'm going to be agnostic in the absence of meaningful evidence. Maybe less than "clear and convincing" but probably more than a mere preponderance. Especially when the evidence is thin. It's one thing to say "John is probably a rapist" if the preponderance of a lot of evidence cuts slightly in that direction, but when the evidence is slight, I'm probably going to need it to be more definitive to reach a meaningful conclusion.

I think you saw this in the Cosby situation. All of the evidence was similar in nature - accusations of rape from alleged victims. After the first few such claims, much of it was still dismissed by many people. But as more and more similar claims were made, more people were comfortable assuming his guilt. None of it was more definitive, there was simply more of it.
Oct 9, 2016 2:24 AM
I think Clinton was an idiot with respect to the Lewinsky case but even the power dynamics are odd in that situation. There were things said at the time about her having had a similar relationship with a teacher and the "I'm going to Washington to get my Presidential kneepads" (from memory) remark attributed to her that make her seem like much less of a victim of even being pressured.
Oct 8, 2016 11:34 PM
boozeJust to toss this out there for your perusal, in recent years several investigators have suggested that in fact it was O.J.'s violent son, with a history of knife attacks, that may have done it, and O.J. was covering for him. http://theunredacted.com/oj-simpson-a-killer-in-the-family/ http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2016/04/5-reasons-why-its-likely-ojs-son-jason-killed-nicole-ron-goldman/

I was surprised at the time of the trial that this idea wasn't given more air time.
Oct 8, 2016 11:31 PM
Judo Chop James
I don't think them being misogynists and oblivious are mutually exclusive. That they relate women in terms of possession is a kind of internalized misogyny, the existence of which they are oblivious about.

Or they aren't oblivious to it but also think it's entirely OK/appropriate - there are probably a lot of voters on that side (whether supremacists or evangelicals or those with a "traditional view of marriage") who think it's just fine to view women in terms of property.
Oct 8, 2016 11:17 PM
ZubenYeah, last time I had a prescription steroid cream, but I seemed to have gotten a hold on this (fingers crossed) quickly enough that I think Ill skip waiting at the Walk-in for three hours to talk to a doctor and maybe get a finger up my ass.

You could probably also eat "low residue" foods for a couple of days - broths/soups and things that dissolve almost completely without forming turds (jello, gummi bears, etc to keep up blood sugar).
Oct 5, 2016 6:48 PM
The big loser tonight could be Ted Cruz. If Mike Pence walks away looking like he can maintain control while lying through his teeth with consummate ease, he's a Republican wet dream.
Oct 5, 2016 4:42 AM
Bigwig
Arrenbasand this one brings with it Paul McCartney and Brian Wilson concerts, among other self indulgences.

Does the shuttle bus pick you up at the Senior Center?

I wish. This new arena is a traffic clusterfuck in the making. They've actually delayed the start of this season's basketball games (from 7 to 7:30) just because they expect people to have a hard time arriving and parking. For those unaware of the story, not just has this been a case of massive public subsidies for a sports facility, but they've moved it from a suburban location where the infrastructure developed around the arena to the most congested part of downtown. And in order to help pay for it all, they've just initiated assorted new parking rates, meters that stay on later on event nights, reserved parking lots, and they're closing various nearby streets at different times. It's all sufficiently complicated that unless you've got an event calendar and a parking rate/street closure map with you at all times, the downtown area is suddenly enormously unappealing.
Oct 3, 2016 8:22 AM
This reminds me of Zuben's comments about PhD's. Try watching a table of people with social science or humanities PhD's split a large restaurant check.
Oct 3, 2016 6:14 AM
October is my birthday month and this one brings with it Paul McCartney and Brian Wilson concerts, among other self indulgences.

P.S. Lollerpops: Sick Droogy asked me to relay his regards.
Oct 3, 2016 5:58 AM
ZubenAnd while I was underselling getting a PhD, they are vastly over-esteemed by nearly everyone that doesn't have direct experience with what it actually entails. They test perseverance more than intelligence. But sure, the average person doesn't have the intelligence to get one.

I'll second the general sentiment here, although I think it varies significantly from location to location, and discipline to discipline. The same is true for other higher degrees, like JDs and MDs, where memorization may be more useful than original thought.
Oct 1, 2016 7:13 AM
Baseball is derived from (or a variation of) rounders, not cricket. Baseball is not like some love child of rounders and cricket, you'd be hard pressed to find any cricket DNA.

As for US inventions, baseball could have happened just about anywhere and probably existed in some form before it was played here. Basketball and lacrosse are better sports examples.

You'd probably be better off with an argument based on musical forms: spirituals -> blues -> rock'n'roll, maybe with jazz thrown in for good measure, as something that needed local conditions to develop.



Oct 1, 2016 7:01 AM
Esoteric AllusionTrump holds some positions. He is protectionist. He is anti-immigration.

I'm not sure you can be certain of either of those things. He would only favor protectionism if he was the one gaining from it. He likes (cheap) immigrant labor and (obedient) immigrant wives. His views are all self-serving and opportunist - probably his greatest ever position on clean energy, for example, is that he doesn't like the view of offshore windmills from one of his Scottish golfing properties.
Sep 30, 2016 9:14 AM
http://www.vox.com/2016/9/29/13086236/trump-beliefs-category-error

Just saw this in my twitter feed and it's basically what I've been saying since the beginning - Trump doesn't really hold any positions.

Sep 30, 2016 1:44 AM
Esoteric Allusion
Arrenbas

He's a panderer of the highest order. The likelihood of him even attempting to do most of what he has talked about is slim at best.

I agree about the pandering and agree with your statement if we are talking about mass deportation or something like that. I disagree about Trump's desire to come down on the press and otherwise go after civil rights. Trump wants to be a strong-man and his administration for people like Putin is genuine. That's not even pandering, as Republicans are the ones who traditionally would be the most apt to freak out about it. He's going to do what he can to be "strong, very strong."

I think Trump is dead serious about the anti-Muslim policies that have been floated out there.

I think he's more interested in things like estate and corporate taxes than he is about border walls. He loves convincing himself he's loved and hates being criticized - I think he's more likely to hinder journalists than muslims. He'd probably go for the no fly list/ no buy list - but so would Hillary. And Trump has too many business interests in the Middle East to anger those countries - he just complained (during the debate) about the condition of US airports by basically saying they're not as nice as Dubai's. He wants to make America great again by improving the first class lounges.
Sep 30, 2016 12:59 AM
Esoteric AllusionThe realistic "bad" scenario for fascist Trump is that he tries to be as much of an illiberal head of state as US institutions and Congress and Courts will allow. Depending on how he's able to use the system to undermine his opposition, he might make some progress on this front. It's uncertain.

Otherwise, he'll make things worse at the edges as far as that goes while simultaneously screwing up major areas of governance, ushering in more open bigotry towards disfavored groups, and harming US interests in the world. We probably will become more friendly with illiberal governments that are rising around the world.

This is all terrible. But it's not death camps.

He's a panderer of the highest order. The likelihood of him even attempting to do most of what he has talked about is slim at best.
Sep 30, 2016 12:45 AM
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I'm mostly prepping for killing myself actually as that is the likest outcome if Trump is elected.

Wait, you're working for the Trump campaign!?
Sep 30, 2016 12:42 AM
BigwigAre the protests we're talking about an objection to this person's attempt, or merely the outcome?

What we were talking about were people being offended by the attempt, or the even the feeling that one has a right to make the attempt.

Sep 26, 2016 7:22 AM
Infinitus Corsair
I agree that there's some surprise at how easily they've glommed on to Trump but you have to keep in mind that many of these people are also really racist. More importantly, they've been fed so much dogma about the existential threat of the Clintons and Obama to "America as we know it" that they will--quite literally it seems--vote for anyone opposed to the liberal candidate.

But this goes both ways - neither candidate can possibly win based on votes from people who actually favor them - they both need the "not the other one" voters.
Sep 26, 2016 2:43 AM