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Esoteric AllusionDavid Nunes is now stating he will not share his access to intelligence sources as chair with other members of the intelligence committee. This after shutting down public hearings, killing Yates testimony, leaking classified information to help Trump, and apparently meeting with Trump to share information about the investigation of him.

I see a lot of chatter acting like this means the investigation is hot on the trail and will cause some more dominoes to fall any day now. I'm reading it as Republicans are not far away from being able to kill the whole thing.

How is something like that not obstruction of justice?

I'm not sure. Some of it that is very shady is legal in his current capacity. My sense is the meeting with Trump regarding the investigation is the legally fishiest move of everything up to this point. I'd need to read a detailed legal analysis to know more.

William Saletan outlines his appalling behavior up to this point here:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/03/devin_nunes_cannot_be_trusted_to_investigate_trump.html

He wouldn't be able to do this if Paul Ryan and the GOP caucus wasn't backing it. That's where things stand.
Mar 29, 2017 3:47 AM
Devin Nunes is now stating he will not share his access to intelligence sources as chair with other members of the intelligence committee. This after shutting down public hearings, killing Yates testimony, leaking classified information to help Trump, and apparently meeting with Trump to share information about the investigation of him.

I see a lot of chatter acting like this means the investigation is hot on the trail and will cause some more dominoes to fall any day now. I'm reading it as Republicans are not far away from being able to kill the whole thing.
Mar 28, 2017 11:46 PM
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Esoteric AllusionI think the Russia story is already probably the most explosive scandal of my lifetime. And that's just with what's currently publicly available. It's knocked Iran-Contra or Bush II stove-piping bad Iraq intelligence off the perch. It's got reasonable potential to be the worst scandal in American history.

Is there a specific law that Trump and his people are suspected of breaking? Or is this something along the lines of Bill Clinton getting sexual favors from an intern?

It depends on whether there was any explicit quid pro quo, which there wouldn't need to have been. If not, then it's just the president of the United States colluding with a hostile foreign power to time their espionage attacks on our democracy to help secure his election. No biggie.
Mar 28, 2017 11:41 PM
I think all the work the NBA did to clean up chipiness and fights after the Malice at the Palace made this Booker game possible. If players felt more comfortable fighting, the Suns would catch a beating for this and it wouldn't have happened.
Mar 27, 2017 7:50 PM
Less money on the line for me, but I need a Gonzaga win in the final to take it for sure. I think I'm the winner with a Gonzaga loss to Oregon in the final as well, but I'm not 100% positive about that.

I've finished 1st or 2nd in the pool I'm in 4 years in a row. I'm getting a big head about it. My pride is on the line now.
Mar 27, 2017 1:45 AM
Paquito
Esoteric AllusionRegarding getting a new job, the problem there is I could get black-balled by this situation

As the situation stands now you aren't currently black-balled, right? So you could still interview and get employed elsewhere, before further escalating at work or with police? You could speak with lawyers while you're job hunting too.

That's right. I can interview right now and be fine. If I make a big deal about it, my name might become radioactive. It feels like I have a choice in trying to get a job elsewhere, pursue legal action, or quietly take it. I'm frustrated that these are my options.

One further detail that might be relevant is that my direct supervisor is absolutely livid with how this is being handled. Moreso than me, I think. She's not the only one. What I do might drag them into a mess. I'm wary of that as well.
Mar 26, 2017 5:15 PM
I think the Russia story is already probably the most explosive scandal of my lifetime. And that's just with what's currently publicly available. It's knocked Iran-Contra or Bush II stove-piping bad Iraq intelligence off the perch. It's got reasonable potential to be the worst scandal in American history.

While Trump is getting a lot of negative press these days, it still doesn't feel like the media is treating the story at all like this is the case. I'm 99.9% confident it would if anyone else were president. Certainly if Hillary was. The coverage would be nearly wall-to-wall with constant non-update updates.

I think Trump is still treated like he is a television character rather than the actual president. He's still more reality TV villain than villain villain if your sole source of news was TV media. And that's still the dominate driver of overall media tone that people encounter.
Mar 26, 2017 5:11 PM
DyneI can also realistically imagine a scenario where Trump goes on Twitter and calls upon"real" American patriots to decend on the Capitol and protect him. Not that a rabble of unorganized hillbillies with guns would stand a chance against an actual military force, but there are probably a bunch of wack jobs that would become erect at the idea of a show down with the feds.

Trump's favorability numbers among people in security fields are astronomically high. The military is more of a mixed bag, though he is fairly popular among the rank and file. But among domestic police forces, he's virtually Saint Trump to them.

I think the odds of that level of crisis are quite remote, but if there's such a showdown, I wouldn't be surprised for a second if that army of hillbillies includes a lot of people in charge of our security.

Also, with each passing day, Trump is able to consolidate more power behind him. This is more likely to allow him to kill the Russia scandal or electoral consequences for it than it is to allow him to refuse to leave office. That is to say, if he's got enough power to feel confident in refusing to leave office, he's probably got enough power to prevent being convicted in the Senate. But in the fantasy scenario where Trump is removed and is refusing to leave, I wouldn't bet on the military being guaranteed to side against Trump.
Mar 26, 2017 4:38 PM
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Esoteric AllusionLast night Trump promoted a program attacking Paul Ryan. It called for Ryan's removal from the speakership. It argues that Ryan knowingly betrayed Trump with the AHCA failure.

If the knives are coming out for Ryan, the least he can do is remove Nunes from his chair on the intelligence committee and expose Trump to a real investigation.

I wonder what lunatic would replace Ryan? Also, yeah, if Ryan knows he's done, he might as well fuck over Trump. Ryan, it's almost like your party had no actual agenda and was taken over by a hostile interloper with no interest in the health of the Republican party. If only you had some warning!!!!!!!!!!!

Trump says watch this program at 9pm. The program's first sentence is that Ryan has got to go, followed by an extended rant about how Ryan is a failure and a betrayer and nothing about the AHCA is Trump's fault. So Trump isn't being subtle about attacking Ryan.

The thing is, I see many a Rubio in Ryan and I wouldn't be surprised at all if he just takes it. Ryan holds all the power he needs to crush Trump, but that doesn't mean he's gonna use any of it.
Mar 26, 2017 2:32 PM
CNN is reporting that the FBI may have flipped Flynn.

The Flynn camp is no-commenting it rather than simply knocking down the story. If that happens to be true,

1) That explains why the Trump camp recently has turned on Flynn with the National Enquirer calling him a Russian spy.

and

2) That implies that Trump is the target. You only flip Flynn if you've got a bigger fish to fry than the national security adviser.
Mar 26, 2017 2:22 PM
Last night Trump promoted a program attacking Paul Ryan. It called for Ryan's removal from the speakership. It argues that Ryan knowingly betrayed Trump with the AHCA failure.

If the knives are coming out for Ryan, the least he can do is remove Nunes from his chair on the intelligence committee and expose Trump to a real investigation.
Mar 26, 2017 1:47 PM
Going to the police doesn't seem the like the best course of action to me at this time because I'm familiar with similar threatening situations at the workplace and it never resulted in a conviction for anything. People were paid visits and the police know who to arrest if something happens, but that's about all the good it did. It's nearly impossible to convict someone merely for making threats. It would definitely escalate the hell out of the human resources situation, but I'm weighing my options from a labor law side on that right now.

Regarding getting a new job, the problem there is I could get black-balled by this situation and it's super-hard for me to get jobs in other fields because I read as a weird combination of way overqualified and way underqualified for just about anything else I can apply for that would substitute my current income. It makes me feel in a vice.

As far as the threat goes, I feel threatened, but I also feel like the person was trying to be threatening rather than having a specific plan to act at that time. But he is nuts, so who knows. The specific thing that made him mad was resolved simply by pointing out his own error and - as a kicker - he got some favorable treatment from the manager who oversaw this inquiry so he's probably quite content at the moment. So he's totally empowered to do it again. I don't feel unsafe per se. I just feel like a person threatened me and is getting away with it. Worse, actually, because the whole thing was turned around on my performance, which is insane.
Mar 26, 2017 1:16 AM
No one is asking you to feel bad for her Kelly. If you want to use that situation as an analogy, it would be Trump's deportation policy being defeated in court and you being upset about that because you were really hoping for mass deportations so people like her would be hurt.
Mar 25, 2017 8:08 PM
DetrimentalYou gon' die

The person who made the threat is an immigrant from a Muslim majority nation. The person making the decision not to act is one of Paul Ryan's closest friends. If I'm killed and my story becomes a Brietbart rallying point, I want everyone to know that the world's cruelty knows no depths.
Mar 25, 2017 7:59 PM
So not that long ago a person under the umbrella of my supervision come into our office made a specific threat of violence against me to others while I wasn't there. There was a workplace homicide in the city in our field not that long ago and after making his threat against me, he referenced it. Anyone I've given the specifics to has quickly concluded that he was threatening to beat me up or, more likely, kill me. This was over the fact that he misread something and assumed I was maliciously trying to screw him. This was an egregiously irrational reading of the situation on his part.

This person has an established history of vaguely threatening and highly irrational behavior already. Some of it is documented in writing. My coworkers who have encountered him seem to believe him to be dangerous and off his rocker.

So this was reported by the person who received the threat and it was forwarded to our HR and an upper-tier manager for action. I thought this would be a termination, but they opted to not even take disciplinary action (up to this point, anyway). Without getting into too many specifics, they did not think he was being threatening and the reasoning used is head-slapping ridiculous in my view. For example, when he referred to the workplace shooting after directly threatening me, he called it the "senseless shooting" and they reasoned that proves he's opposed to shootings. Otherwise, why call it "senseless?" You know, like when the mob says it would be a shame if something happened to your car, that means they really care about your car. He also made some false assertions about my efforts to solve his issues thus justifying him being upset in their eyes. These assertions were believed by them, but I can easily disprove what he said with witnesses. There just wasn't any effort to get that from me. But I think that's neither here nor there, because even if I dropped the ball on a petty issue like returning a phone call of his (which is what we are talking about here), that wouldn't make threats Ok.

They actually made sure that he was comfortable working around me in the future to give you a sense of how twisted this got.

Is there a legal case for me here? I don't want to threaten my employment, but I'm also confused about my options. Can businesses just let employees threaten you with impunity if they unreasonably decide it wasn't a threat? I probably will have to consult with a local attorney, but given that the board here is 50% lawyers, I was curious what your opinion is.
Mar 25, 2017 7:50 PM
The fact that Trump isn't going on one of his usual temper-tantrums is a really strong indicator he was not invested in this legislation at all. He's done more to argue about his inauguration crowd sizes. If Democrats controlled Congress and bargained a transition to single payer in exchange for, I don't know, not impeaching him for emoluments clause violations, he'd probably do it in a heartbeat.
Mar 25, 2017 4:49 PM
Until recently, only a slight majority of Democrats correctly believed that the ACA increased the number of people who were insured at all. Until the ACA came under real legislative threat, it was a comically misunderstood piece of legislation.

It is not correct that people had grasp of health-care policy and were making voting decisions based upon it. Moreover, Trump actively campaigned on protecting Medicaid and repeatedly used rhetoric indicating he favors universal health coverage. Trump probably does personally believe in universal health care, but his understanding and priorities are too shallow for that to mean anything. To think electing Trump meant massively cutting Medicaid is to make some astute calculations about how he is deceptive and what he's willing to look past.

Is Trump a lying con-man? Yep. Would "repeal and replace" rhetoric near inevitably signal a reduction in coverage for areas that voted heavily for Trump? Yep. But that doesn't mean people understood that's what was going on.

It's one thing to want to punish them for their ignorance. It's another to argue they all knew what they were doing when they probably did not. I get enjoying schadenfreude towards the turkeys who voted for Thanksgiving, but wanting outcomes you think would be unbearably cruel to happen because it would rain cruelty down on Trump voters too is fucked up.
Mar 25, 2017 4:44 PM
The estimators suggested the AHCA would've been great for my healhcare costs because I was in the sweetspot of income and relative youth to see costs go way down for me. But the AHCA was poised to gut MA into the future and that indirectly feeds my profession. That might have been devastating. Probably. Hard to know.

Kelly is backpedaling at this point, but it's obviously cruel to wish huge numbers of people are hurt in order for some of those people to feel the consequences of their decisions.

I'm one of the people who still thinks Obamacare is a terrible law, but I was fascinated by how Republicans were able to come up with legislation that blows it out of the water in terms of being terrible. I'm not sure I thought that was possible until I saw it.
Mar 25, 2017 3:54 PM
The Badgers have lost in excruciating fashion 3 of the past 4 years deep in the tourney. The one where that wasn't the case, the Duke championship game, was a close game that was painful in its own-right.

Outside of maybe Arizona, I don't think there's another team that's been treated to this much torment lately.
Mar 25, 2017 3:46 PM