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ZubenSimilar to arguing with QP, arguing with QPaquito feels like climbing a sand dune where you think that if you can just show him this one simple thing, this one transparent easy, indisputable thing, then surely some understanding will click into place. But it won't. I have come to believe that it actually can't. And with that in mind, I think it behooves the people who get caught up with him at this forum to give him the same consideration that you would any other person who is mentally disabled. I feel the same way about the forum's other laughing stock; Rooby Roo. Sure he is a garbage human being, but there is nothing that can be done for it at this point, and he's genuinely harmless.

Please include links to old posts the next time you try to make an argument.
Jul 23, 2017 7:49 PM
neumdaddyI thought I made a post that addressed the extent with which Paquito was making his positions, which feels a bit aggressively pessimistic and projecting based on augmenting the misgivings of the past couple of seasons.

You did, here, about the position EA and I have been taking:

neumdaddyI agree to a small extent that the show seems to have lost some of its juicier nuance the last couple of seasons for specific plot threads and character beats, and its an easy correlation to the lack of available source material. However, I think this total lack of 'grappling' of larger questions still feels like something some of you guys are projecting, at least no more than what you're accusing others here of defending in similar scenes. Again, I agree that there's an "eff yeah!" stand-up-and-cheer factor to that opening scene with Arya, but I still think the show is capable of framing some of these actions as "not 100% good" and that scene, to me, felt like there was at least a whiff of "this is a wee bit troubling" to it, too. The reference point later in the episode where Arya meets with the soldiers (after some viewers got past their Ed Sheeran boners, apparently) provides a nice contrast here in showing how fearsome Arya has become, and relaxing into moments in when to be human again. Might be too subtle for some, but I think its a fair and defensible reading of both of those scenes together. And we may still see more about how those scenes affect Arya down the line just yet. (side note: I think that discussion of "home" from the soldiers will probably steer Arya from King's Landing and back to Winterfell, IMO.)

I'm not saying the show hasn't changed in ways some of you are suggesting its changed, but I kinda feel like some are overstating their case a bit, too. #MiddleGroundPosition

It was a good post, but I got caught up dealing with WHICery and didn't respond. I get that, once you know Arya's capable and willing to kill large numbers of people, in pursuit of vengeance, you might be worried about the fate of the soldiers she ran into. But...

- Walder/Arya's speech made it clear that every one in the room was culpable for the Red Wedding. They even made a point to spare Walder's wife. The writers & directors are going out of their way to clear up misgivings the audience might have about the slaughter, to make it clear that this was a righteous act of revenge.

- Arya empathizing with the soldiers undermines IC's contention that Arya is "kind of a sociopath". This is one of a few reasons why he's wrong about show-Arya's character arc.

Is the show still capable of framing actions like this as morally ambiguous? Sure. But that doesn't look like the direction the show's taking.

Let's be exceptionally clear here, you got caught up in Paquitery.
Jul 23, 2017 6:09 PM
whathaveicreatedPaquito, if missing the point were an Olympic event, you'd drown in the shallow end of the pool trying to tie your shoes.

Go ahead WHIC. Take me by the hand and walk me through it. I could use some more lols

Jul 23, 2017 3:44 PM
Paquito, if missing the point were an Olympic event, you'd drown in the shallow end of the pool trying to tie your shoes.
Jul 23, 2017 2:53 PM
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whathaveicreatedCome on you guys!

Your burn is missing at least two words. It would have been good though.

"To be"?

We should've workshopped this at the clubhouse.

I wish we could post gifs. I'd post a gif of that bit from The Simpsons where Homer is so excited to order some shitty as-seen-on-TV thing that he can't dial and has to slow down to breathe. Everyone picture that gif and rofl accordingly.

Try posting it on this site:

Guys, I don't know how to make or post gifs.

You do exactly the same thing as with a picture. You click on the pic icon and you paste in the url of the GIF. For fuck's sake.

Jul 23, 2017 2:18 PM
See, this is why we make such a good clique, we're all pathetic idiots!
Jul 23, 2017 4:23 AM
whathaveicreatedCome on you guys!

Your burn is missing at least two words. It would have been good though.

"To be"?

We should've workshopped this at the clubhouse.
Jul 23, 2017 1:58 AM
whathaveicreatedLI just followed me on twitter.

Was I not supposed to tell her?

No, it's fine. Just don't share my handle with ic, please.
Jul 22, 2017 11:05 PM
wirthlingReally shatters the illusion...


Huh. I guess that when it comes to Game of Thrones, paquito's not the only one who needs spoon fed.

(We can all high five about this sick burn at the clubhouse that paquito's not invited to)
Jul 22, 2017 11:02 PM
whathaveicreatedNim! What's taking you so long at Staples?

I can't talk here; I'll give you a ring.

Jul 22, 2017 4:36 PM
Nim! What's taking you so long at Staples?
Jul 22, 2017 4:17 PM
LI just followed me on twitter.
Jul 22, 2017 3:58 PM
That smugness teams up with his stubborn cluelessness in a way that really helps him dominate the leaderboard.

Hey! Let's make a bracket for the office. Nim, can you swing by an office supply store and grab some sharpies and poster board? That is, if you're not otherwise engaged.
Jul 22, 2017 3:57 PM
whathaveicreatedAnd of course we're supposed to have mixed feelings about the Arya Frey massacre. That's the whole point of the show: revenge is never sweet or without consequences and all human vendettas are petty distractions in the face of the imminent supernatural threat of the Others.

whathaveicreatedI will say though, almost everyone I've talked to about the episode has taken the "fuck yeah revenge!" stance about the opening scene.


Jesus paquito.
Jul 22, 2017 4:36 AM
Infinitus Corsair
Infinitus Corsair
Esoteric Allusion
PaquitoI'll grant that GRRM screwed the show-runners by failing to deliver his books, as promised. They intentionally slowed down the pace of the show during seasons 4 and 5 to give Martin time to write, and I'm sure they were horrified when they realized he couldn't deliver. All of a sudden they have to write Season 6, and have to deal with an audience whose interest is starting to wane. So realistic timelines are sacrificed to achieve a pace that'll put them back on track.

But I still don't think that excuses Dorne, or Arya's Bravos storyline, or having Jaime rape Cersei, etc etc.

Season 5 felt extremely rushed. After A Storm of Swords, Martin's next two works, originally meant to be one book, had some pacing problems and expanded a bunch of story threads all at once. It even got worse inbetween Feast and Dance. Adapting this was always going to be hard and the show ended up condensing a lot in a way that felt rushed.

Martin famously writes ?as he goes along, so the story probably isn't even all that worked out yet. He mostly likely gave the show writers the major plot developments he has in mind without much connective tissue and let them figure it out. Because he's the best writer associated with the show, by far, everything suffers without having his best of to draw from. The TV show has always been at its best when it's able to edit Martin down to his strong-points and add flourishes that highlight them for the TV medium. It really screwed things up when he let the show outpace his material.

Martin had been writing an episode for the show every year, some really good ones, but he stopped that to try to pick up the pace on Winds of Winter. He probably spent that time trying to get his loving odes to soup just right.

On the other hand, "Hardhome" is the best episode of the show and they made up the whole thing.

That could be an outlier. I think it's harder for you to judge the show on its own merits; your memory of what you enjoyed from the books seems to pollute your perception of the show. At least, that's what your take on Arya's character development suggests.

It's true, it's hard to separate the two narratives and each experience informs the other for both me and hundreds of thousands of other literates. But we all bring preconceptions to something like a television show. Your own views are doubtless informed by your being a lunkheaded ass.

You and WHIC need to learn to be less salty when you get called on a bad argument. It's not a good look.

Anyhow, it'd be more accurate to say you've been misinformed by your experience with the novel. It's a problem the show-runners themselves have struggled with. The most egregious case being the scene where they accidentally had Jaime rape Cersei. They wanted to depict a scene they enjoyed from the novel, but didn't stop to think about how the various changes they made in the show would affect how that scene would play to the show-only audience.

Holy shit fucking turtle dicks, you really have a remedial understanding of, like, the world, don't you?
Jul 22, 2017 2:01 AM
The cyber bully has become the cyber bullied. This is some cyber Shakespeare shit.
Jul 21, 2017 3:37 PM
wirthlingOpposition to the concept of Confederate...

A. It's going to be racist wish fulfillment.
B. It will intend to make progressive commentary, but racists will see what they want to see in it and miss the point, like with All in the Family and even The Handmaid'sTale.
C. It will intend to make progressive commentary but will probably undercut that by putting white heroes in the forefront.
D. The last thing we need in these divisive times is a show featuring heightened divisiveness.
E. The premise is preposterous.

It's pretty impressive that a brief show announcement can engender all of that. We are a wound-up people.

(Yes, I'm going to wait until I see the show to make an actual assessment of it.)

I mean "It could be worse, darkies" seems like a pretty bad idea.
Jul 21, 2017 3:33 PM