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I will say that I don't believe TDK should be in the top 10 or even top 20 movies of all time.
Make no mistake, TDK is a fantastic movie - one of the greatest. The #4 all time? No no no no no. Nolan himself would balk, but we can hardly fault anyone for accepting the honor, can we?

While I respect it for posterity, I do have issues with the IMDb usership's slant. There's an undeniable comic-book-guy bias. Realistically, I'd say it's a top 30 movie, and much of that I attribute to its phenomenal force of impact. It didn't just resonate with target audiences. It sent shockwaves through popular culture. The kind we only experience once or twice per decade, e.g. The Matrix, or Jurassic Park - movies with flaws of their own to be sure, but I'm not talking about technicality as much as cultural impact.

I'd say in technical terms, it's just a notch shy of Terminator 2. I remember reading that Cameron praised it as something really special.
But I think it managed to impress a wider range of audiences than even T2, which I still think is the better movie.
Jul 18, 2017 10:53 AM
Evan SolomonNolan's popularity peaked after Dark Knight, and I really have to ask about what specific things that Nolan is responsible for directly are memorable about that film? From a directorial standpoint, anyways. Ledger's performance carries the movie. I hear a lot about a practical effect where the bat mobile uppercuts an 18 wheeler, but that was done in miniature to my knowledge. I watched Civil War a couple weeks ago and there's a scene right at the beginning where a real dump truck is flipped over a barrier.

Dude, TDK is practically the only movie of its kind to be suspenseful, dramatic, thrilling, funny, smart (despite some minor seams, which I could point to with greater specificity), and visionary all at once. The characters and events actually seem real, which is preposterous.

The main thing about it that distinguishes it is how the plot is actually kinda interesting, which is extremely difficult to say about any other movie of its type - even those regarded as the next best, e.g. Avengers, Spider-Man 2, Captain America 2, etc. I can't even tell you what was compelling about the plots of those. They're great, fun movies, and as it has been established, we don't need compelling plots to have a great movie (e.g. Fury Road with its threadbare plot), but no characters mattered in any of those movies the way those in Nolan's movies do.

I know people who don't even give a rats about Batman, any of its movies or comics or TV shows - not a whit about any comics or comic book movies or superheroes in general - but they still thoroughly enjoyed the thrills, twists, and intrigue of TDK. This was a triumphant "event" moment in cinema deserving of consideration alongside the greatest popular culture entertainments like Star Wars and LOTR. I'd ultimately rank it just below the very best of those original trilogies, Empire and Return of the King, but it does deserve mention up there in that pantheon.

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It drew praise from across the industry. One of my buddies' cousins lived in LA around the time TDK was playing, I think a few weeks after the premiere. He saw Tarantino show up after the previews had already begun, after the lights had dimmed some so he could sneak into a row near the back without being noticed.

It's simply an exceptional piece of moviemaking that is not flawless, but transcends the genre not just for superhero/comic movies, but for action movies. It's like Die Hard if it had a Silence of the Lambs/Se7en plot.

Again, I know it has flaws we can pick apart - practically every movie does. I would concede further that some of these seams do aggravate me a lot, like Bale's Bat-voice which never quite nailed the right tone, or curious transitions like a scene ending with the Joker at the top of a high-rise building when we'd expect cops to have surrounded and apprehended him and his gang.

But taken as a whole, this was a resounding triumph and watershed moment.

Honestly, if you're looking for better insight, just ask the titans of the industry what they thought about it. Tarantino, Scorsese, Cameron, Spielberg, Fincher, etc. They might not each declare it a classic or masterpiece, but there is undoubtedly much to admire about it.
Jul 18, 2017 10:31 AM
Mic dropping is so cringe. Especially from mom-jean wearing Obama.
Where is the artistry of the meme? I think you'll like this one more:

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Jul 18, 2017 2:04 AM
Death Proof
Have to admit, I thought he was older.


Creepshow is one of my favorite horror films.


Always wondered what a Romero-helmed DOOM movie could have been instead of the piece of crap we got.

Agreeing with the 1st and last lines. RIP to a legend and grandfather of a genre.
Jul 17, 2017 9:08 PM
Welcome back Eric.
Jul 17, 2017 8:26 PM
Appears that Metacritic has beaten RT to the punch. First professional review logged for Dunkirk by Roger Moore of Movie Nation. He gives it a 10. I'm not very familiar with his opinions. I just noticed that out of 1,877 reviews, he's only given out 22 perfect scores.

I need to get into this line of work.
Jul 17, 2017 7:53 PM
I can't really speculate on makeup. I think that's a field where anyone could pop up in a little-known movie, such as smaller budget bio-pictures, wherein the focus of the modest budget may go toward makeup.

These designs look great though. It's definitely at the top of my hype chart for comic book movies.
Jul 17, 2017 1:21 PM
In case you're wondering who Tapley is, apparently he's associated with Variety mag. I'm sure every last one of you will have some bone to pick with his rankings, but at least it gives us a spoiler-free definitive impression:

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Jul 17, 2017 10:15 AM
MKSI'm going to assume those placing this as Mann's worst haven't seen the Keep or LA Takedown (if TV movies count).

No to LA Takedown, but I did see The Keep. Topic
Jul 17, 2017 2:22 AM
Yes, scores have shifted in the 3 years since that tabulation was recorded. I'm sure a few movies have been knocked out of the 250 as well. I take issue with the way IMDb ratings skew, but I suppose it's as meritocratic as any database.
Jul 17, 2017 2:17 AM
TC, speaking of Master and Commander, you should check out this channel for some interesting fact checking on historical accuracy in movies, if you haven't heard of it:

History Buffs

3rd column over, 3rd row down you should see their assessment of M&C. I didn't think of comparing that one to Z, but I think I see what you're saying. There is clearly a sense of restraint throughout most of the movie. I would be interested in seeing what the History Buffs guy has to say. Although he might not be familiar with the story behind the movie at all.

I suppose there's no way they could have gotten all the details of the book into the movie. It's practically impossible in almost every case. But I didn't know anything of this story when going in to the movie. I've only gleaned some bits in the reviews I read after watching the movie. I think the main thing I took away from reading a little about the real story was that the man actually visited the wild forest 6 times, whereas the movie only suggests he went three times, although this might just have been inferred to the viewer rather than finally asserted.

I think my favorite visual was the sculpture he finds nestled between some rocks just before a deluge forces him to retreat with his crew.
Jul 17, 2017 2:08 AM
Sorry, just wanted to add the clickable link. I trust this topic has been beaten to death, but I honestly didn't know. I knew Nolan is a big favorite for IMDb, but didn't quite realize pretty much everything he's done, or 7 out of 9, appears on the big 250.

http://www.imdb.com/list/ls000431546/
Jul 16, 2017 9:46 PM
If after all the hype and fanfare fades, and this still manages to settle safely into the IMDb top 250, does that credit Nolan with the most movies in the top 250? Or does he already have that distinction?

You have to tip your hat regardless. What are the 2 most common criticisms Nolan's detractors cite of his work? "Too long, and too much exposition."
So what does he do? Makes this his shortest major feature with the least dialogue.

edit: article from 2014 regarding directors with the most titles in IMDb's 250 http://www.imdb.com/list/ls000431546/
Jul 16, 2017 9:37 PM
It has its moments. Definitely Mann's worst from what I've seen though, and it's not a hard call. But I haven't seen Black Hat yet. I mean, it's a snowball's chance in hell we would ever find something to unanimously judge, but I have a feeling almost all of us could agree this one belongs at the bottom of Mann's filmography.

And with that said, it shows how solid Mann is overall, because it's not a horrible or even bad movie. Just kinda bland and a little unfocused. He still has a transcendent style that gives the proceedings a sense of hyper-realism, at once gritty and dreamlike.

Aren't he and Lynch champions of digital video? I think Mann was one of the first big names to push higher framerate for one of his features. I thought it was Miami Vice but it might have been Public Enemies, a slightly better movie.
Jul 16, 2017 9:15 PM
He needs to make this a family movie. PG or bust.
Jul 16, 2017 6:05 PM
Popcorn Reviews
jasper de large
Popcorn ReviewsWell, get ready Saving Private Ryan. Massive hatebase headed your way on July 21st.

Huh?

After interstellar got released, I heard a lot of Nolan fans say that 2001: A Space Odyssey was overrated and mediocre. I was making a joke out of it.

Kneejerk reactions? On our forum? Say it ain't so!
Yeah, that's typical hype talk. The first wave of critics usually has the best or worst to say about something.


Oops I said kneejerk for the first time in 9,000 words.
Jul 16, 2017 6:00 PM
ASM, I'm sorry but disliking someone isn't justification for violating that convention's policies.

That you find yourself besieged by trolls is not justification for becoming a troll, resorting to their slimy tactics. It's even less of a justification for resorting to something beneath your target. We don't see anywhere Sargon at Vidcon lashing out at anyone personally to their face with targeted harassment, literally pointing them out amidst a crowd from a platform of privilege. The critiques he puts on his channel sometimes get brutal and bitter, and as I've already pointed out, I fear he, like some of his peers, flirt with SJW hysteria to the point they almost reflect it. Almost.

At least most of his content is smothered in equal measures sarcasm and wit as they are in bitter criticism. Anita proves time and time again to be humorless and toxic. People are not attracted to this anymore.

When Sargon showed up with dozens of friends, Anita was presented with a wonderful opportunity in which she was uniquely advantaged, having the platform and access to the microphone, to speak to those who supposedly most need to understand her side. Rather than preaching to a choir, she had a captive audience of opposed and quiet people. That is the perfect time to persuade. If you truly believe in the strength of your arguments, you stand and deliver. She didn't believe in her message. If it was a truly empowering message, it would have helped.

But it's not. It's an unyielding lamentation about how women are portrayed as damsels in media. Instead of representing a strong woman, she represented the damsel. And it was all her own choice. She's only perpetuating the stereotype she seeks to dispel.

She is not persuading people because her arguments are only for those seeking confirmation bias, those predisposed to victimhood narratives that undermine their will to act.

You can hate the so-called "alt-lite" all you want, but I see them constantly engaging the opposing side, inviting debate or honest attempts at dialectic. See Blaire White with Laci Green. I think this was a tipping point in the anti-SJW vs SJW battles. Dave Rubin leaving The Young Turks to start his own centrist platform (which threatens to over-correct by skewing more conservative lately), was another tipping point.

The writing has been on the wall. What is the "left" doing to alienate more and more minorities? Dave Rubin is gay. Just how bad do you have to fuck up to drive gays toward conservatives? Ask The Young Turks. Blaire White is a transsexual. So is Theryn Meyer. I see more minorities and people of color rising to prominence by pushing back against regressive SJW mania almost every day.

Just Thinking Out Loud gives us a Jamaican-American's perspective.

The left is dissolving.

Ian Miles Cheong was a promoter of SJW narratives, but things reached a tipping point for him and here he explains that it had as much to do with his own soc-jus peers alienating him, as it did the anti-SJWs respecting and welcoming him.

I see much greater willingness to debate among the "right" (which by now is a label used by SJWs to apply to anyone who is doesn't adhere to their insular narrative). Milo welcomes debate. Shapiro welcomes debate. Harris welcomes debate. Thunderf00t, Sargon, Blaire White, etc.
This willingness to engage is at least more respectful than the outrage and violence and credible threats which effectively no-platform the opposing side. When you seek to no-platform, effectively censoring them, you dehumanize them. You say they are not even worthy of having a voice.
The left used to be unafraid of debate. They welcomed those espousing controversial, unpopular, even ostensibly bigoted perspectives because the old left actually believed their egalitarian arguments. I still do generally believe in these egalitarian principles, but it seems like fewer and fewer leaders among the left actually do, beyond spouting platitudes one-way.

It's just getting to the point where the brightest and sharpest minds of the left have almost all been alienated. It's been said a thousand times by now, the left eats its own.

18 months ago I would have laughed at the notion that by 2017, the Republicans would have majority of congress and Trump would win and the Democrats would be a dumpster fire in crisis. It was supposed to be the other way around. It was supposed to be Hillary and the Dems on top, with the once crumbling Republicans who were experiencing catastrophic dissolution and identity crisis. That's where everything was heading in Jan 2016.

All the left had to do was chill, to just not riot and capsize their own showboat. Turning into hateful and hysterical monsters (the examples are as countless as they are critical) did not serve them. Now we have the least qualified president in living memory.
Jul 16, 2017 5:33 PM
Sorcerer Supreme Nameless
jasper de large
Sorcerer Supreme NamelessCan you just, you know, end yourself, Osman?

Why are you posting this here and not my SJW thread? The fuck does that have to do with Shia LeBoof?

Because the comment I was responding to (just above my first comment today) is in here


not there...? ? -__-

You are all the worst! All of you back in the SJW thread and I'm getting out the fancy pen for my list here

If you want to start a new SJW thread, I had a pretty good topical story I think would suit it.

But I am not interested in bumping the topic where you slime (satirically I would hope) Yarn as racist. Even if satirical, I just don't see much being served by abusing that term in titles.

Start a new topic bout ess jay dubyas. General purpose.
Jul 16, 2017 4:12 PM
Shia's self righteous implosion, going from "woke" to "joke" has me recalling KONY 2012. Remember that noble cause? The scam artist behind that was last seen bare naked masturbating in public somewhere in California.

When you make tons of money by exploiting impressionable, bleeding heart idiots, it probably makes you feel like God.

The Kony phony dude - turns out a fraud, quite literally a jackoff
Ben Affleck "that's gross, that's racist!"? turns out his ancestors owned slaves. womp womp.
Anita - demonstrates to a live audience she's not the harassed, she is the harasser
Shia "he will not divide us" - spouts hostile racial insults at black cop
Spike Lee hates on Tarantino's Django - everyone else loves it
Spike Lee hates on Eastwood's WW2 movies "where's the black soldiers?" - history says the army was segregated. Eastwood did still dedicate a whole movie to the Japanese side. Japan praised it

then we found out Lee himself descended from a slave owner. Maybe he was friends with Affleck's great great great great grand pappy


It's almost like the louder the self-righteous virtue-signaler, the bigger the hypocrite they turn out to be...
Jul 16, 2017 3:57 PM