Names in MD...

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Several threads throughout this labyrinthine discussion have included postings referring to the possible meanings of names in MD. I am always intrigued as to why characters in books or movies are named the way they are. Can we compile all our thoughts from past posts and new ideas on why the names in MD are they way they are. I remember seeing several references to other movies re: Betty and something about Adam (some ancient Kabbalah/Tarot meaning), about Aunt Ruth (the meaning of "ruth" or "untruth"?). Roque and all the pervasive Tower talk... it goes on...
(If there has been an exhaustive thread on this topic, then I must have missed it. But I haven't been around very long.)

Betty
Camilla
Rita (obvious)
Adam
Coco
etc.

How about this Betty here?

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Diane / Camilla

Princess Diana / Camilla Parker Bowles
Nov 15, 2002 2:13 PM
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<IMG SRC="http://www.rottentomatoes.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=1385936" align=left valign=top hspace=15 vspace=5>Though I don't think it is mentioned by name, the book <u>Science and Health</u> by Mary Baker Eddy, copyright 1890, is at the center of MD. Attached is front cover inscription. It reads:

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;HEAL THE SICK
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;RAISE THE DEAD
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;CAST OUT DEMONS
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;CLEANSE THE LEPERS

These are the things which Diane did for herself within the dream context. She healed her mental illness by casting it out into the demon of the mobsters, and functioned as her well persona Betty. She raised Rita from the dead by staging the accident. And she cleansed the "leprosy" lingering from her childhood abuse through the self-forgiveness which she expressed in the love scene.

The magician paraphrases from the book during his performance&#185;, the color mapping of the red clues&#178; derives from it, and the numerological connections of 6980 (Mulholland Drive address) and 2590 (Sierra Bonita address) to 1890 are extremely strong&#179;. The blue-haired lady, who represents Mrs. Eddy, is dressed in circa 1890 garb.

1. Post "<i>6980 = 1890</i>" 12/22/02 on thread <a href="showthread.php?s=&threadid=193846">Screen door for protection (Havenhurst/hideout) - I think we can safely rule out #16</a>.
2. Post "<i>Tones of Red</i>" 01/06/03 on thread <a href="showthread.php?s=&threadid=175926">The Colors of Mulholland Drive Thread</a>.
3. Posts "<i>Re: 6980 -> 1890</i>" 01/11/03, "<i>2590 is also 1890 Clue"</i> 01/13/03 on thread <a href="showthread.php?s=&threadid=193846">Screen door for protection (Havenhurst/hideout) - I think we can safely rule out #16</a>.
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The two protagonists? first names reminded me of Diana and Camilla from the Roman mythology.

The goddess Diana was not only a huntress, but she was also the nurturer of children and feminine values, and protector of the weak and vulnerable. (If we subscribe that Betty Elms is Diane Selwyn?s alter ego, the parallel is obvious with the Betty ? Rita storyline.)

Goddess Diana did not have particularly satisfying relationships with men; she frequently sought companionship from women friends, and was portrayed by artists as bathing alone or in the company of nymphs. She was worshipped especially by women, no man was allowed to enter her temple.

In Roman mythology Camilla, the legendary Volscian maiden, was a favorite of the goddess Diana. Her exploits appear at the end of Virgil's 'Aeneid'. When she was a baby her father, fleeing with her from enemies, came to a flooded river. He tied Camilla to his spear and threw it and baby to the opposite bank, vowing that if the infant survived he would dedicate her to the service of the goddess Diana.

Many mothers sought her for a daughter-in-law, but she continued faithful to Diana and repelled the thought of marriage.

Diana?s Greek equivalent is the Goddess Artemis who was always portrayed running with wolves. The labrys has been a symbol of lesbianism since the early 1970s. It's a double-headed ax said to have been used by amazons and also associated with Artemis, the androgynous huntress.

Amid the carnage, like an Amazon,
Camilla rode exultant, one breast bared
For fighting ease, her quiver at her back.
At times she flung slim javelins thick and fast,
At times, tireless, caught up her two-edged axe.
The golden bow, Diana's weapon, rang
Upon her shoulders: yes, when she gave ground,
Forced to retreat, with bow unslung in flight
She turned and aimed her arrows. At her side
Rode chosen comrads, virgins all: Larina,
Tulla, Tarpeia shaking her bronze axe.

((Aeneid XI, 881-891 (Fitzgerald translation))
Jan 16, 2003 3:21 PM
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This is an interesting juxtaposition of the two names, but I don't see how the roles of the two characters in the film correspond to those in the mythological narrative.
Camilla as a devotee of Diane? I don't see it in the film.
When I first saw the film I thought Diane was so-called because of her Roman huntress goddess namesake. But she manifests so few of Diana/Artemis' attributes, and she seems so disempowered. Now the connection seems pretty tenuous to me.
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Simon-Piman,

I did not mean to suggest that my post applies to MD literally! The mythological story of Diana and Camilla (always mentioned together) blends well with the lesbian love affair theme of the film.

Sometimes I wonder if I can compose in English (it is my 3rd languagae, but I know, it cannot be an excuse!), but I wanted to emphasize on Diana's NON-hunter iconography.

Best regards,
Marianne
Jan 17, 2003 9:26 AM
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Your English is fine; it is as good as a lot of people's 1st language.
I don't think Lynch would use the names unless there was an echo of the myth. But what do I know.

Diane certainly exhibits a vindictive streak similar to Artemis in the Acteon story.
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I'm playing mindless detective again.

Here is the Internet Movie Database

Full Cast and Crew for Mulholland Dr. (2001)

Link to "Full Cast and Crew for Mulholland Dr. (2001)" page

Cast (in credits order) complete, awaiting verification

Naomi Watts..................Betty Elms/Diane Selwyn
Jeanne Bates..................Irene
Dan Birnbaum................Irene's Companion
Laura Elena Harring.......Rita/Camilla Rhodes
Sean Everett.................Cab Driver at LAX (as Sean E. Markland)
Scott Wulff.....................Limo Driver
Robert Forster...............Detective Harry McKnight
Brent Briscoe.................Detective Neal Domgaard
Maya Bond.....................Aunt Ruth Elms
Patrick Fischler...............Dan
Michael Cooke................Herb
Bonnie Aarons................Bum
Michael J. Anderson........Mr. Roque
Joseph Kearney (I).........Roque's Manservant
Enrique Buelna...............Back of Head Man
Ann Miller (I)...................Catherine 'Coco' Lenoix
Angelo Badalamenti........Luigi Castigliane
Dan Hedaya....................Vincenzo Castigliane
Daniel Rey.......................Valet Attendant
Justin Theroux.................Adam Kesher
Robert Katims..................Ray Hott
Marcus Graham................Vincent Darby
Tom Morris (I)..................Espresso Man
Melissa George...............Camilla Rhodes
Matt Gallini......................Castigliane Limo Driver
Mark Pellegrino................Joe Messing, Hitman
Vincent Castellanos.........Ed
Diane Nelson...................Heavy-Set Woman
Charles Croughwell.........Vacuum Man (as Charlie Croughwell)
Rena Riffel.......................Laney, Streetwalker
Michael Des Barres..........Billy Deznutz, Pimp
Lori Heuring.....................Lorraine Kesher
Billy Ray Cyrus.................Gene
Tad Horino.......................Taka
Missy Crider.....................Waitress at Winkies (Diane/Betty) (as Melissa Crider)
Tony Longo......................Kenny
Geno Silva........................Cookie
Richard Mead...................Hairy-Armed Man
Katharine Towne.............Cynthia Jenzen
Lee Grant (I)....................Louise Bonner
Monty Montgomery (II)....Cowboy (as Lafayette Montgomery)
Kate Forster.....................Martha Johnson, Executive
James Karen (I)................Wally Brown
Chad Everett....................Jimmy 'Woody' Katz
Wayne Grace....................Bob Brooker
Rita Taggart.....................Linney James
Michele Hicks.....................Nicki Pelazza
Lisa K. Ferguson...............Julie Chadwick (as Lisa Ferguson)
William Ostrander.............2nd Assistant Director
Elizabeth Lackey...............Carol
Brian Beacock (I)...............Backup Singer #1
Blake Lindsley...................Backup Singer #2
Adrien Curry......................Backup Singer #3
Tyrah M. Lindsey...............Backup Singer #4
Michael D. Weatherred......Hank, Assistant Director (as Michael Weatherrred)
Michael Fairman.................Jason Goldwyn, Studio Manager
Johanna Stein....................Woman in #12
Richard Green (V................The Magician at Club Silencio
Conte Candoli...................Trumpet Player (as Conti Condoli)
Cori Glazer.........................Blue-Haired Lady in balcony seat at Club Silencio
Rebekah Del Rio.................Herself
Lyssie Powell.....................Blond in Bed (Corpse)

rest of cast listed alphabetically

Kimberly Clever..................Dancer
Scott Coffey (I)...................Wilkins
Joshua Collazo...................Dancer
David Frutos.......................Dancer
Peter Loggins.....................Dancer
Theresa Salazar.................Dancer
Thea Samuels.....................Dancer
David Schroeder.................Robert Smith
Christian Thompson............Dancer
Desi Singh...........................First Cab Driver (uncredited)
Jan 22, 2003 3:34 PM
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Before I list how the final credits listed the cast, here are some comments.

I thought some name choices were interesting (wood themes). Then when I looked at the "Hairy-armed man" issue I realized that there was a pun issue of "Hairy Armed-man"--especially coupled with the likelihood that the listed actor was a bogus red-herring.

Then I noticed that Geno Silva ("Cookie") got 2 separate credits in the film credits: "HOTEL MANAGER" & "EMCEE"), so like a detective (that I learned from TV's "Law & Order" BTW) I figure, let's go back to the "crime scene" & "work the room" with some very basic facts:

Including what names David Lynch (and others) put on the film's final credits.

I think there are some characters missing from the credits--I'm not sure the agents following Rita get credited or the couple spotted at Sierra Bonita apartments (the other false alarm: "Now you got me scared").

Even if there is a "typo" ("WAYNE GRACE" is listed next to "BOB BOOKER"), I think that "counts." We think "Bitty" "counts" on that pinned note don't we? Somewhere there was a miscommunicated scrawl or omitted "R", or was there? I don't know.

In the "Twin Peaks" DVD, one of the actors being interviewed on David Lynch's techniques (Michael J. Anderson?) said that David Lynch works in a very instinctual way and that unintended "mistakes" become part of the product. So as Lynch saw something unexpected on the film in editing, he said something like, "I must have meant to do that."
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The final credits are given in a font that resembles the opening credits--i.e. like the street sign--and are in all capital letters. They are centered with the actors name on the left & the character's name on the right. Since this is a modification of the previous list (mixed upper & lowercase with the character on the right, this is different--I'm rewriting the characters' names in ALL CAPS) I also don't know how to center things here

I'll put comments off to the right, I'll number the order to keep track for me, because I used numbers to keep track

CAST
(IN ORDER OF APPEARANCE)

1) Naomi Watts..................BETTY (IMBb adds last name "Elms")
2) Jeanne Bates..................IRENE
3) Dan Birnbaum................IRENE'S COMPANION

4) Laura Elena Harring.......RITA
5) Scott Wulff..................LIMO DRIVER

6) Robert Forster............DETECTIVE McKNIGHT (IMDb adds 1st name "Harry" )

7) Brent Briscoe............DETECTIVE Neal Domgaard (IMDb adds 1st name "Neal" )

8) Maya Bond...............AUNT RUTH (IMBb adds last name "Elms")

9) Patrick Fischler............DAN
10) Michael Cooke.............HERB
11) Bonnie Aarons.............BUM
12) Michael J. Anderson......MR. ROQUE

13) Joseph Kearney......ROQUE'S MANSERVANT (IMDd lists him as (I) means other "Joseph Kearney's")

14) Enrique Buelna...............BACK OF HEAD MAN (only credit for "Enrique Buelna", fake name?)

15) Richard Mead.............HAIRY-ARMED MAN (IMDb has no other credits for "Richard Mead", fake actor name?)

16) SEAN E. MARKLAND........CAB DRIVER AT LAX (IMDb says this is Sean Everett. Related to Chad?)

17) ANN MILLER....COCO.......(IMDb lists as "Catherine 'Coco' Lenoix" played by Ann Miller (I) )

18) Angelo Badalamenti........LUIGI CASTIGLIANE ("David Lynch's music composer" first credit referring to someone with a first & last name)

19) Dan Hedaya..........VINCENZO CASTIGLIANE (brothers need 2 names )

20) Daniel Rey........VALET ATTENDANT

21) Justin Theroux.................ADAM (IMBb adds last name "Kesher", wouldn't you expect that?)

22) David Schroeder............ROBERT SMITH (IMDb buried this credit)

23) Robert Katims........RAY HOTT (that's an interesting name LOL)
24) Marcus Graham........MR. DARBY (IMBb adds first name "Vincent")

25) TOM MORRIS........ESPRESSO MAN (IMDb: "Tom Morris (I)")
26) Melissa George..........CAMILLA RHODES
27) Matt Gallini.........CASTIGLIANE LIMO DRIVER

28) Mark Pellegrino......JOE..(IMDb: "Joe Messing, Hitman")

29) Vincent Castellanos.........ED
30) Diane Nelson...........HEAVY-SET WOMAN
31) CHARLIE CHROUGHWELL......VACUUM MAN (IMDb: "Charles Croughwell")

32) Rena Riffel..........LANEY (IMDb adds "Streetwalker")

33) Michael Des Barres.....BILLY..(IMDb: "Billy Deznutz, Pimp")

34) Lori Heuring...........LORRAINE..(IMDb adds "Kesher")

35) Billy Ray Cyrus............GENE
36) Tad Horino.......................Taka

37) MELISSA CRIDER........WAITRESS AT WINKIES (IMDb: "Missy Crider"; adds "(Diane/Betty)")

38) Tony Longo..................KENNY (I admit it, who's Kenny? Adam's flunky?)

39) Geno Silva.............HOTEL MANAGER (IMDb lists "Cookie" and only list once--see #62)

40)Katharine Towne..........CYNTHIA (IMDb adds "Jenzen")

41)LEE GRANT ..........LOUISE BONNER (IMDb: "Lee Grant(I)" Several 2-named folks now. )

42) LAFAYETTE MONTGOMERY ...COWBOY (IMDb: "Monty Montgomery (II)")

43) Kate Forster............MARTHA JOHNSON (IMDb adds "Executive", thought it was "ever-lovely";) )

44) JAMES KAREN.........WALLY BROWN` (IMDb: "James Karen (I)")

45)Chad Everett.........JIMMY KATZ ..(IMDb adds "Woody")

46)Wayne Grace.......BOB BOOKER....(NOT "Bob Brooker" AS IMDb has & WE HEARD)

47) Rita Taggart..............LINNEY JAMES

48) Michele Hicks............NICKI...(IMDb adds "Pelazza" suddenly no last names?)

49) LISA FERGUSON ........1ST AC (IMDb has "Julie Chadwick" played by "Lisa K. Ferguson")

50) William Ostrander.............2ND ASSISTANT DIRECTOR
51) Elizabeth Lackey...........CAROL
52) Brian Beacock ...............BACKUP SINGER #1 (IMDb: "Brian Beacock (I)")
53) Blake Lindsley.............BACKUP SINGER #2
54) Adrien Curry.................BACKUP SINGER #3
55) Tyrah M. Lindsey...........BACKUP SINGER #4
56) MICHAEL WEATHERRED......HANK-ASSISTANT DIRECTOR (IMDb: "Michael D. Weatherred" & has "," instead of "-")

57) Michael Fairman............JASON.....(IMDb adds "Goldwyn, Studio Manager")

58) Johanna Stein....................Woman in #12

59) RICHARD GREEN.........THE MAGICIAN (IMDb: "Richard Green (V)" & adds "at Club Silencio")

60) CONTI CONDOLI...............TRUMPET PLAYER (IMDb: "Conte Condoli")
61) Cori Glazer............BLUE-HAIRED LADY (IMDb adds "in balcony seat at Club Silencio")

62) GENO SILVA..........EMCEE (GETS SEPARATE CREDIT see #39)

63) Rebekah Del Rio...........HERSELF

64) Lyssie Powell........BLOND IN BED (IMDb adds "(Corpse)")

65) NAOMI WATTS......DIANE SELWYN (IMDb combines credit #1)
66) LAURA ELENA HARRING....CAMILLA RHODES (IMDb combines credit #4)
67) SCOTT COFFEY.............WILKINS (IMDb: "Scott Coffey(I)" & put him with "rest of cast")

After "WILKINS" in the left column, "DANCERS" (presumably jitterbuggers) are listed next, without missing a beat (so to speak . Immediately after "SCOTT COFFEY", "KIMBERLY CLEVER" is the first of 8 alphabetized names. The spacing of the names is consistent with the rest of the cast.

The IMDb listed 7 of these 8 names a "Dancer"--omitting "LISA FERGUSON" who IMDb listed as playing "Julie Chadwick", but who the film lists as playing "1ST AC".

68) Kimberly Clever..........DANCERS (see above)
69) Joshua Collazo..................(see above)

70) LISA FERGUSON ............(really see above)

71) David Frutos.....................(see above)
72) Peter Loggins.....................(see above)
73) Theresa Salazar.................(see above)
74) Thea Samuels....................(see above)
75) Christian Thompson............(see above)

76) Desi Singh uncredited in the film but IMDb says is the "First Cab Driver.

I saw no comment about the couple at the Sierra Bonnita Apartments that got Betty scared too.

Are the sunglassed gentlemen that Rita wanted the cab driver to avoid at the Sierra Bonita Apartments the two detectives at the accident scene? I don't think so. If not, they don't seem to get credited either, nor does that cab driver.
Jan 25, 2003 6:43 PM
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An non-principal actor only requires a credit listing if he or she has a speaking role.
Jan 25, 2003 7:41 PM
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Kenny is the heavy-set Castigliane hood who beats up Gene & Lorraine.

I don't see a credit for Jack Tuchman (Tuckman?) who is introduced by Wally Brown as his assistant at the audition.
Maybe he is 2nd Assistant Director - William Ostrander? But I don't think so - aren't there two assistant directors at the film set?
Tuchman doesn't say anything either of course.

I like that Lisa Ferguson (Julie Chadwick) is a Deep River jitterbugger and also at the audition scene - also blond - because I feel that it is Diane's real family members who are present at the abuse audition. Ie. she is Diane's sister.
Jan 26, 2003 8:23 PM
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One thing I noticed today:
Karen Forster, who plays the ever-lovely Martha Johnson is actually the daughter of Robert Forster, the detective...

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Bob BrookerOne thing I noticed today:
Karen Forster, who plays the ever-lovely Martha Johnson is actually the daughter of Robert Forster, the detective...




Ok so what can we speculate about that?

Recall my scenario "Diane's redemption" . Wally's audition represents the meeting between Diane and Camilla after the hit. Camilla is at the hospital in a dramatic state. Full of remorses, Diane would like to be forgiven for what she has done.

The daughter Karen Forster could represent indirectly her father, that is McKnight. Maybe Johnson is a policeman sent by McKnight to stay in front of Camilla's room at the hospital to protect her in case one would try to kill her once more. (Thus Johnson becomes in the dream Wally's secretary whose office is just next to Wally's.)

And of course Diane has to play a scene because Johnson must not understand what she says to Camilla.

Finally note that it is Johnson who gives back her personal effects to Diane after the audition...

Thanks to ucn84steve for his list full of remarks too. They may be useful for many further speculations.

simon-pinman's comment is also interesting. There is certainly a reason to the fact that a 'Deep River' jitterbugger is present at the audition. Lisa Ferguson is a blond and she seems anxious. As was probably Diane just before her jitterbug contest, I guess. Note that Bob Brooker insists on the fact that it is not a contest...

And then after the audition, Bob Brooker goes to talk to Julie Chadwick in aparte to ask her something... You guess what... .

It is not impossible that finally Bob Brooker was the judge of the jitterbug contest. Have you ever heared of "Bukka's Jitterbug Swing"? Bukka White's real name was Booker Washington. So the typo quoted by ucn84steve would not be a mistake after all. But Bukka White was an afroamerican, not exactly Bob Brooker's look.

I have checked in the references on MD soundtrack but I only learned that the jitterbug sequence was composed by Badalamenti, with additional arrangements by Lynch and Neff. But the composition was certainly elaborated from an already existing typical jitterbug music. I have not verified if "Bukka's Jitterbug Swing" has anything to do with the MD jitterbug sequence.

Observe that at the dinner (which is a flashback with probably many fictious elements) Diane doesn't mention the director's name herself. Wilkins does it for her... and she says "yes" it's him, but she could have mentally lied in her flashback. She doesn't like the guy anyway. Why so much hate?

It could change the meaning of the Sylvia North Story...
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Booker's jitterbug swing:

www.mp3.com/tracks/311998/dl_streams.html

Blues Lyrics - Bukka White
Bukka's Jitterbug Swing
by
Booker T. Washington White a.k.a. Bukka White
recording of 19
from
The Complete Sessions 1930-1940 (Travelin' Man 3)
&
The Complete Bukka White (Columbia CK-52782)

Hey, come on you women, let's do the
Jitterbug
swing
When you do the Jitterbug swing, you know you will be doing a thing
Hey, I can't stand it long, I'm telling you women, I can't stand it long
Hey, every time I ask you, you won't let me follow you home
You must have some
rounder
, lyin' in your arms
Hey, you women workin' on my nerves
Hey, you women workin' on my nerves
Hey, you gonna drive me in my blood
Hey, please, m'am, don't say, "Uh uh"



Well it sounds rather different from our 'jitterbug'. False track probably...
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Maybe the father/daughter connection in some way points to the incest theme in Mullholland Drive? What about the line "Whom you met out front?" Could this be a reference to Deep River?
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folks,

I was just offering some trivia. I don't think there's a point here to look for an explanation as Robert Forster was simply using his connection to put his daughter in the picture, methinks...
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I don't think so, Bob:

Betty has been recommended by Aunt Ruth to Wally Brown, and now you argue that Robert Forster has recommended his daughter to Lynch. Funny coincidence, no ?

And the same for Julie Chadwick: thanks to the her participation to the jitterbug contest and Brooker's help, she has got a job as 1st AC (what does it mean : assistant coordinator ? )

The price to pay is that she has to be very friendly with Brooker now... 'ever lovely' I would even say ... lol

About the name, Julie Chadwick should mean probably something too. 'you lie Chad' ?
Jan 17, 2005 12:36 AM
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First, I'm not convinced that Lisa Ferguson from the audition scene is one of the jitterbug dancers. There's no woman looking close to her. That might just be a namesake.

I think Lynch is being funny, but in a more basic way. Lisa is actually a crew member (2nd assistant camera) who plays something like her real life part in a movie scene (1st assistant camera). Whether she's got enough dancing skills to play in the opening scene is another concern...
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But Bob Brooker talks about a contest. Thus I think that the jitterbug contest is really behind the audition scene.

I have always wondered how Diane had come to believe that the fact to win a jitterbug contest could help her becoming an actress. One possibility is that she knew Julie Chadwick (Brooker's 1st AC), one of her friends she met in the past at her jitterbug contest and she hoped to meet Brooker thanks to her.

In the pilot script at least (I don't remember in the movie), I observe that Wally Brown introduces Julie Chadwick without any comment: 'this is Julie Chadwick and Bob Brooker', as if it was unnecessary because Diane knew her already well.

Of course, in reality it is the converse, Lisa Ferguson is 2nd AC and jitterbug dancing is her hobby.

By googling lisa ferguson, I found references about her and she is even mentioned in dance lessons VHS recordings. I suppose that as a dancer she was good enough to play in the jitterbug opening scene. If she and Diane are not among the participants, Lynch has a good reason for that.
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