MD Trivia Roundup

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I thought it would be nice to do a comprehensive "roundup" of all the items of trivia regarding MD contained in these forums and put them all in one place. I'm interested in facts about MD that are not immediately obvious on first viewing rather than people's personal plot interpretations (though these trivia may suggest certain plot interpretations). I have added a good number of editorial comments. Please feel free to append your own items below.

MULHOLLAND DRIVE TRIVIA:

The number sixteen:
* When Betty and Rita are walking towards #17 (Sierra Bonita), we see each of them inexplicably look at the apartment next to it: #16. A POV shot of the apartment shows that the outside light is on, yet it's the afternoon.
* As they pass the apartment, Rita brushes past a flower, which is clearly pointing to apartment #16.
* So who lives in #16? Someone named A. Gonzales. In the listing of names in the West Courtyard, Gonzales's name stands out from the rest because it is highlighted in yellow.
* At the Park Hotel, Adam is staying in #16. Cookie (who is Hispanic) tells him two guys were looking for him and that whoever he's hiding from, they know where he is. In "real life", in apartment #16, Gonzales tells Diane two detectives came by again looking for her, making Diane think that sooner or later they're going to find out where she is.
* "1612 Havenhurst" (Note that Diane, in reality, switched apartments with Gonzales (from 12 to 16))
* "16 Reasons Why I Love You"
* The 17th card of the Major Arcana, assigned the number 16 in the Tarot, is The Tower: "This card is one of renovation, this is a card that shakes and removes everything that is not built on a firm foundation. This card will shatter our illusions and we will face the truth of the matters. This is a card of putting faith to the test. If we have truly learned our lessons we will be ok. If we have not or have just been playing, we will be left broken and crippled"

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In Hebrew, Adam Kesher means "Connection Man"

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Mathematical oddities:
* According to actor Geno Silva ("Cookie" -- interviewed in Wrapped in Plastic #56), he arrived at the set of the sleazy hotel (actually filmed in the upper offices of the theatre where Club Silencio was shot) to see Lynch himself painting the number 16 on the door. Silva says that for Lynch the numbers had to add up to 7; that for some unexplained reason, Lynch has a fascination with the number 7.
* In the parking lot when Adam goes into his meeting with the movie execs is a sign that reads:
1.25 each 15 minutes
3.50 all day Saturday and Sunday
Adding up the numbers on the left-hand-side only: 1+2+5+3+5=16; 1+6=7
* The Street Address for Santa Bonita Apartments is 2590 (2+5+9+0=16; 1+6=7)

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Dreams within a dream?
1. Rita lies down to sleep in the bushes in front of the apartments and the detectives appear into the dream.
2. Rita lies down to sleep beneath the counter and the two men at Winkies and the monster appear.
3. Rita continues to sleep beneath the counter and Mr. Roque makes his first appearance. Betty and the sinister old couple also appear. (It's interesting to note, though, that Rita is awake and in the shower when Betty arrives).
4. Rita lies down to sleep again in the bed and Adam Kesher, the Castigliane brothers, and Camilla Rhodes (in the form of a publicity photo) now appear into the dream.
5. Betty checks on Rita and sees that she's still asleep and the hitman soon comes to life in the dream.
6. Rita wakes up with the word "silencio" on her lips

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The mysterious painting
* There is a painting of a young woman on the hallway of Aunt Ruth's house, which is prominent in certain scenes (e.g., it was centered between a shot of Betty and Rita sitting on the couch). In real life, this is a painting by Guido Reni called "Beatrice Cenci"
* Beatrice Cenci was well written about (Shelley, Stendhal, Dickens, Artaud). She was a beautiful teenage girl who lived in Italy in the late 1500's. Her home was a castle known as "La Rocca" (NB Characters in MD are LaRosa and Roque) She is known for killing her brutal father after his incestuous advances. She hired "hit men" to kill him, rather than do it herself. She then resisted interrogation and torture with unswerving courage, but was executed in Rome in 1599.
* Betty/Diane poses similarly like Beatrice is in the portrait - looking over shoulder, eyes to the side.
* Interestingly, art historians are extremely dubious about both the alleged painter and the identity of the sitter (it's all an illusion?)

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The Winkie's mugs are identical to Diane's mug at home.

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Dan (Troubled Guy) mentions that it in his dream it has to be *this* Winkie's because his dream takes place during "half night". (*This* Winkie's is of course on *Sunset* Blvd)

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The Wizard of Oz angle:
* In the scene when we are approaching the graffiti wall behind Winkie's, we see four written characters running down. We see a "P", an "O", a backwards "N", and a "6". Assuming the P & 6 are "placeholders" (to imply a mirror image) the middle letters spell "OZ" when turned on their side and mirrored. (dubious)
* On this wall is a straw-coloured plant that looks very much like a broom.
* Below is written "West Coast" (=Wicked Witch of the West?)
* In the Wizard of Oz, the Winkies were the little people who dress all in yellow, enslaved by the Wicked Witch of the West, and later freed by Dorothy.
* The overriding colour at the Winkies diner is green (emerald?)
* At one point, Betty & Rita are seen walking on a brick walkway.
* Aunt Ruth's last name is Elms (=Auntie Em?)
* Oz = Australia?
* David Lynch has used Wizard of Oz imagery in previous movies (notably Wild at Heart)

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As the two men walk along the side of the diner - just outside of where they had been eating. In sign order, we see:
* A large 6 on a yellow sign for a steak dinner
* A large 6 on another yellow sign for a pork dinner
* A very small 6 on a small black/slate sign (underlined in the middle of some other numbers)

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The mysterious Aunt Ruth
* First we see who we believe to be Aunt Ruth at 1612 Havenhurst: a well-dressed red-headed lady with a scarf on, and a taxi driver helping her with her bags.
* Then at the airport while Betty is saying goodbye to the old couple, who walks by around the taxi zone? A well-dressed, red-headed lady with a scarf on, and a man accompanying her, carrying her bags.
* And then at Sierra Bonita, Betty and Rita watch a well-dressed red-headed lady with what appears to be a scarf around her, with a man carring her bags to a limo or towncar.
So, where *is* Aunt Ruth?

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We are told to pay attention to the PIANO ashtray because when Diane's neighbor comes to take it back, this gives us a very clear indication of the sequential order of the following scenes.
Hence, any scene following this scene which has the ashtray on the coffee table is obviously a flashback. Any scene where the ashtray is gone is obviously happening in the present. That's why we are told to pay attention to THE ashtray.
The BATHROBE is a key factor in the same way because that also shows us exactly what scenes are happening in 'realtime'. Therefore the only scenes which are happening in the present are the ones with the dirty gray bathrobe.
Likewise, the COFFEE CUP. Again, Diane gets up, gives back the neighbor her ashtray (in her bathrobe), makes a pot of coffee (in her bathrobe), pours a coffee into the cup and goes to sit on her couch (in her bathrobe), sits and drinks cofee from her cup all day (in her bathrobe), and then shoots herself (in her bathrobe).

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Sexual abuse threads:

* The Cowboy appears smiling at Dianes bedroom door and says "time to wake up pretty GIRL".
* "Silencio"
* Old people (= parental figures?) appear soon after masturbation scene, and drive Diane to her death
* Ruth = "Grief"
* High-pitched screams (child-like) heard before the old people come out of the bag
* In the beginning of the film the old couple are standing next to Diane/Betty after she won the jitterbug competition. After the close up of Diane standing with them, the image blurs, becomes clear, and blurs again. Diane has this SAME image as she violently masturbates near the end of the film.
* In the script for the TV pilot of Mulholland Drive, we discover Diane grew up with her grandparents.
* The audition scene:
* In this scene she was rehearsing with an actor named WOODY and Betty's character referred to him as Dad's Best Friend. It is obvious that this relationship (in the play they're rehearsing) is VERY inappropriate which is why Betty says "I hate you, I hate us both".
* In the sex scene on the couch, when Camilla says "We shouldn't do this anymore", Diane reacts with anger/resentment/violence. (This scene parallels the audition scene)
* In Club Silencio, everyone in the audience is female. One of them bears a striking resemble to Sheryl Lee who played Laura Palmer in Twin Peaks (who was abused by her father).
* Peculiar violence in the masturbation scene
* Director: "Don't make it real until it gets real"
* David Lynch first published his "10 clues" in The Guardian newspaper (incest... guardian... gettit?... ah, never mind)

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More meaningless numerology:

When the car wreck is being searched there is a fire truck and an ambulance present. Written on the ambulance is, of course, 911. Written on the fire truck is 119. Later on, during the casting session with Adam there is a clock, as part of the small piece of scenery above the heads of the actors. The hour hand on the clock is on 9 and the minute hand seems to be on 11.

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Prostitute smokes and wears jeans of the brand "Diesel", as Diane does in real life.

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The film's first (potentially) real image (assuming the jitterbug shot is SURreal) is that of a POV shot of a head hitting a pillow accompanied by rough and awkward breathing, as thought the individual is under some sort of distress, just prior to entering into a dream or suicide (presumably Diane, of course). Or is it a woman writhing under bed covers?
(Apparently) An important area in this shot seems to be the carpet area just to the left of the bed. It is the precise spot where Rita opens the box and where Aunt Ruth looks at when scanning the room.

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The design on Betty's t-shirt is of a woman with wings (fairy/fantasy?)

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Diane wears a wedding ring on the right hand, symbolizing an openly lesbian relationship.... or is it for a woman who has been married and since divorced?

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The totally ridiculous angle:
1. Club Silencio looks suspiciously like Ford Theater in DC
2. Blue hair lady is sitting in the same position and balcony that Abraham Lincoln sat
3. Abe represents division: North vs South (blue was the color of most union forces); red and blue; ying and yang; blond and brunette, etc
4. The death/assassination signifies the end of the division; civil war over; Diane and Camilla joined together in heaven/limbo after their strife in reality... or something

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The pearl earrings are only seen at the accident scene and at the party.

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When Betty and Rita come back from Club Silencio with the blue box as they enter the apartment, we hear the door unlock twice, then shut twice, both in and out of sync with the action.

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David Lynch clue: "Who gives a key and why?"
* Only one key is given in the film. The key that Coco gives to Betty. The hitman doesn't give a key. He *leaves* it for Dianne. Moreover Betty doesn't touch Rita's blue key either.
* There's a sleight of hand going on here. The viewers are lured to focusing on the blue keys. But neither is ever "given". So if the Coco key is a clue, then Coco's relationship with the two main protagonists needs further examining.

Which segues into....
The Coco as CO-COnspirator theory:
* Coco's role at the pool party is interesting - it is the first time we find out she is Adam's mother, and she has some interesting reactions to people, particularly to Camilla/Rita.
* Coco's not too happy with her son marrying Rita/Camilla. It's obvious at the party. Dianne's not too happy with Adam marrying Rita/Camilla. Could Coco and Dianne have got together after the party to plan a hit?
* Coco says to Betty: "If there is trouble-GET RID OF IT"

More conspiracy theories:
* Co-co and the Cowboy:
o In the first lesbian scene between Rita & Betty right before Rita takes off her towel, she takes off her wig then "fixes" her hair. Above the mirror, Aunt Ruth has a collection of hats - one of which is a cowboy hat.
o Coco says "horse pucky" at one stage.
* Blond Camilla theory:
o Blond Camilla has lipstick on her face after kissing brunette Camilla - Judas Kiss?
o Blond Camilla whispers something: is it "I'll see you outside later"?? Is she a "decoy" to lure Camilla/Rita outside?

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Relationship between the accident and the suicide:

Two grey cars cause the accident = Two grey-haired people cause Diane to suicide
The smoke that comes from the fire in the bonnet is similar to the smoke in the room after Diane suicides

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In the second half of the movie, Diane encounters the cowboy twice. Ergo, she has done a bad thing.

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Betty leaves on the top level of LAX when arrivals are on the bottom.

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"DIANE SELWYN CAMILLA RHODES" is an anagram of "WOE IS LYNCH: DIANE DREAMS ALL"

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Similarities with the film "Contempt" (or "Le Mepris") by Jean-Luc Godard, starring Brigitte Bardot:
* "Silencio" is the last line of both films.
* Both films contain dialogue from at least three languages.
* "Contempt"'s main character is Camille
* Camille is seen wrapped in a red towel
* Camille, a blonde, is seen wearing a brunette wig
* Camille is nude more than once in the film
* "Contempt" involves the troubles in making a film version of Homer's "Odyssey", while "Mulholland Drive" involves the troubles in making a film called "The Sylvia North Story"
* "Contempt" takes place in 1963 - "The Sylvia North Story" takes place in the early '60s.
* Camille gets into an early '60s convertible with a film producer who makes a pass at her - Camilla gets into an early '60s convertible with a film director who kisses her
* In "Contempt", the audience is shown the text "il cinema e un invenzione senza avvenire", which is a quote by Louis Lumiere - In 1995, Lynch directed one of the scenes in the film "Lumiere and Company", dedicated to the legendary Lumiere Brothers
* "Contempt" is a French film, partly made by American money - "Mulholland Drive" is an American film, partly made by French money
* The first "Contempt" poster is reminiscent of the "Mulholland Drive" posters (http://us.imdb.com/Posters?0057345 )

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Similarities with "The Lady from Shanghai"

* Both are rather confusing film noirs
* "The Lady from Shanghai" features Rita Hayworth
* Both movies concern obsessive love, betrayal and personal identity
* For "The Lady from Shanghai", and for this film only, Rita Hayworth had her trademark long, flowing red hair cut short and dyed a shade of blonde known as topaz blonde
* Quotes from TLFS: "Killing you is killing myself. But, you know, I'm pretty tired of both of us."
* "Maybe I'll live so long that I'll forget her. Maybe I'll die trying."

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Telling dialogue:
"...now I've arrived at this dream-place"

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Oct 6, 2002 12:39 PM
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Nice work collating all that shmoo

(and not to mention a lot of <i>very</i> interesting new points I've never thought about before

It would be nice if we could organize and summarize <i>all</i> the points/observations made on this board in terms of 'themes' or something........'connections/parallels to other films'.......'abuse/incest theories'.......etc. It would be a great 'primer' for new posters/fans before they delve into the more detailed threads/discussions......
Oct 6, 2002 1:14 PM
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Shmoo,
Great Job!!

Yes Neely,
That would be excellent to do, and a great help for everyone. I wish I could do it. I would mess it all up though, and end up offending someone
Oct 6, 2002 2:04 PM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by shmoo
I thought it would be nice to do a comprehensive "roundup" of all the items of trivia regarding MD contained in these forums and put them all in one place. I'm interested in facts about MD that are not immediately obvious on first viewing rather than people's personal plot interpretations (though these trivia may suggest certain plot interpretations). I have added a good number of editorial comments. Please feel free to append your own items below.
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That's a lot of work and a good start. I agree this would be nice to have in one place. I wouldn't have called them trivia as trivia to me are questions with answers. Perhaps your wording of "oddities" is a bit closer. You might want to remove the sexual abuse area as some might be offended by calling this trivia. Since this post is so long I just put my edit suggestions in Bold. Please incorporate if they are valid.


MULHOLLAND DRIVE TRIVIA:

The number sixteen:
* When Betty and Rita are walking towards #17 (Sierra Bonita), we see each of them inexplicably look at the apartment next to it: #16. A POV shot of the apartment shows that the outside light is on, yet it's the afternoon.

Inaccurate. All apartment lights that we can see are on except apartment 17 (most easily seen just by watching the apartment 12 scene.
* As they pass the apartment, Rita brushes past a flower, which is clearly pointing to apartment #16.
* So who lives in #16? Someone named A. Gonzales. In the listing of names in the West Courtyard, Gonzales's name stands out from the rest because it is highlighted in yellow.

inaccurate. Other names on the listing are done with the same tape just not the right listing. At best dubious.
* At the Park Hotel, Adam is staying in #16. Cookie (who is Hispanic) tells him two guys were looking for him and that whoever he's hiding from, they know where he is. In "real life", in apartment #16, Gonzales tells Diane two detectives came by again looking for her, making Diane think that sooner or later they're going to find out where she is.

we have no evidence that she is in apartment 16. At this point, a flower that may be pointing to the apartment is the only indicate. I don't believe the original poster believes this one any more ...
* "1612 Havenhurst" (Note that Diane, in reality, switched apartments with Gonzales (from 12 to 16))

nope,she switched from 12 to 17 - at this point 1612 should be added to "things that add up to 1" subheader
* "16 Reasons Why I Love You"
* The 17th card of the Major Arcana, assigned the number 16 in the Tarot, is The Tower: "This card is one of renovation, this is a card that shakes and removes everything that is not built on a firm foundation. This card will shatter our illusions and we will face the truth of the matters. This is a card of putting faith to the test. If we have truly learned our lessons we will be ok. If we have not or have just been playing, we will be left broken and crippled"


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In Hebrew, Adam Kesher means "Connection Man"

---------------

Mathematical oddities:
* According to actor Geno Silva ("Cookie" -- interviewed in Wrapped in Plastic #56), he arrived at the set of the sleazy hotel (actually filmed in the upper offices of the theatre where Club Silencio was shot) to see Lynch himself painting the number 16 on the door. Silva says that for Lynch the numbers had to add up to 7; that for some unexplained reason, Lynch has a fascination with the number 7.
* In the parking lot when Adam goes into his meeting with the movie execs is a sign that reads:
1.25 each 15 minutes
3.50 all day Saturday and Sunday
Adding up the numbers on the left-hand-side only: 1+2+5+3+5=16; 1+6=7
* The Street Address for Santa Bonita Apartments is 2590 (2+5+9+0=16; 1+6=7)

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Dreams within a dream?
1. Rita lies down to sleep in the bushes in front of the apartments and the detectives appear into the dream.
2. Rita lies down to sleep beneath the counter and the two men at Winkies and the monster appear.
3. Rita continues to sleep beneath the counter and Mr. Roque makes his first appearance. Betty and the sinister old couple also appear. (It's interesting to note, though, that Rita is awake and in the shower when Betty arrives).
4. Rita lies down to sleep again in the bed and Adam Kesher, the Castigliane brothers, and Camilla Rhodes (in the form of a publicity photo) now appear into the dream.
5. Betty checks on Rita and sees that she's still asleep and the hitman soon comes to life in the dream.
6. Rita wakes up with the word "silencio" on her lips

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The mysterious painting
* There is a painting of a young woman on the hallway of Aunt Ruth's house, which is prominent in certain scenes (e.g., it was centered between a shot of Betty and Rita sitting on the couch). In real life, this is a painting by Guido Reni called "Beatrice Cenci"
* Beatrice Cenci was well written about (Shelley, Stendhal, Dickens, Artaud). She was a beautiful teenage girl who lived in Italy in the late 1500's. Her home was a castle known as "La Rocca" (NB Characters in MD are LaRosa and Roque) She is known for killing her brutal father after his incestuous advances. She hired "hit men" to kill him, rather than do it herself. She then resisted interrogation and torture with unswerving courage, but was executed in Rome in 1599.
* Betty/Diane poses similarly like Beatrice is in the portrait - looking over shoulder, eyes to the side.
* Interestingly, art historians are extremely dubious about both the alleged painter and the identity of the sitter (it's all an illusion?)

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The Winkie's mugs are identical to Diane's mug at home.

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Dan (Troubled Guy) mentions that it in his dream it has to be *this* Winkie's because his dream takes place during "half night". (*This* Winkie's is of course on *Sunset* Blvd)

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The Wizard of Oz angle:
* In the scene when we are approaching the graffiti wall behind Winkie's, we see four written characters running down. We see a "P", an "O", a backwards "N", and a "6". Assuming the P & 6 are "placeholders" (to imply a mirror image) the middle letters spell "OZ" when turned on their side and mirrored. (dubious)
* On this wall is a straw-coloured plant that looks very much like a broom.

dubious
* Below is written "West Coast" (=Wicked Witch of the West?)
* In the Wizard of Oz, the Winkies were the little people who dress all in yellow, enslaved by the Wicked Witch of the West, and later freed by Dorothy.
* The overriding colour at the Winkies diner is green (emerald?)
* At one point, Betty & Rita are seen walking on a brick walkway.
* Aunt Ruth's last name is Elms (=Auntie Em?) dubious, perhaps more likely to be a Lynch reference to trees. He supposedly has a thing for threes, phones and highways/roads (Rhoades)
* Oz = Australia?
* David Lynch has used Wizard of Oz imagery in previous movies (notably Wild at Heart)

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As the two men walk along the side of the diner - just outside of where they had been eating. In sign order, we see:
* A large 6 on a yellow sign for a steak dinner
* A large 6 on another yellow sign for a pork dinner
* A very small 6 on a small black/slate sign (underlined in the middle of some other numbers)

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The mysterious Aunt Ruth
* First we see who we believe to be Aunt Ruth at 1612 Havenhurst: a well-dressed red-headed lady with a scarf on, and a taxi driver helping her with her bags.
* Then at the airport while Betty is saying goodbye to the old couple, who walks by around the taxi zone? A well-dressed, red-headed lady with a scarf on, and a man accompanying her, carrying her bags.
* And then at Sierra Bonita, Betty and Rita watch a well-dressed red-headed lady with what appears to be a scarf around her, with a man carring her bags to a limo or towncar.
So, where *is* Aunt Ruth?

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We are told to pay attention to the PIANO ashtray because when Diane's neighbor comes to take it back, this gives us a very clear indication of the sequential order of the following scenes.
Hence, any scene following this scene which has the ashtray on the coffee table is obviously a flashback. Any scene where the ashtray is gone is obviously happening in the present. That's why we are told to pay attention to THE ashtray.
The BATHROBE is a key factor in the same way because that also shows us exactly what scenes are happening in 'realtime'. Therefore the only scenes which are happening in the present are the ones with the dirty gray bathrobe.
Likewise, the COFFEE CUP. Again, Diane gets up, gives back the neighbor her ashtray (in her bathrobe), makes a pot of coffee (in her bathrobe), pours a coffee into the cup and goes to sit on her couch (in her bathrobe), sits and drinks cofee from her cup all day (in her bathrobe), and then shoots herself (in her bathrobe).

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Sexual abuse threads:

* The Cowboy appears smiling at Dianes bedroom door and says "time to wake up pretty GIRL".
* "Silencio"
* Old people (= parental figures?) appear soon after masturbation scene, and drive Diane to her death
* Ruth = "Grief"
* High-pitched screams (child-like) heard before the old people come out of the bag
* In the beginning of the film the old couple are standing next to Diane/Betty after she won the jitterbug competition. After the close up of Diane standing with them, the image blurs, becomes clear, and blurs again. Diane has this SAME image as she violently masturbates near the end of the film.
* In the script for the TV pilot of Mulholland Drive, we discover Diane grew up with her grandparents.
* The audition scene:
* In this scene she was rehearsing with an actor named WOODY and Betty's character referred to him as Dad's Best Friend. It is obvious that this relationship (in the play they're rehearsing) is VERY inappropriate which is why Betty says "I hate you, I hate us both".
* In the sex scene on the couch, when Camilla says "We shouldn't do this anymore", Diane reacts with anger/resentment/violence. (This scene parallels the audition scene)
* In Club Silencio, everyone in the audience is female. One of them bears a striking resemble to Sheryl Lee who played Laura Palmer in Twin Peaks (who was abused by her father).
* Peculiar violence in the masturbation scene
* Director: "Don't make it real until it gets real"
* David Lynch first published his "10 clues" in The Guardian newspaper (incest... guardian... gettit?... ah, never mind)

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More meaningless numerology:

When the car wreck is being searched there is a fire truck and an ambulance present. Written on the ambulance is, of course, 911. Written on the fire truck is 119. Later on, during the casting session with Adam there is a clock, as part of the small piece of scenery above the heads of the actors. The hour hand on the clock is on 9 and the minute hand seems to be on 11.

non-working clock is more like 9:20 - whatever it is .. it is not close to being 9:11

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Prostitute smokes and wears jeans of the brand "Diesel", as Diane does in real life.

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The film's first (potentially) real image (assuming the jitterbug shot is SURreal) is that of a POV shot of a head hitting a pillow accompanied by rough and awkward breathing, as thought the individual is under some sort of distress, just prior to entering into a dream or suicide (presumably Diane, of course). Or is it a woman writhing under bed covers?
(Apparently) An important area in this shot seems to be the carpet area just to the left of the bed. It is the precise spot where Rita opens the box and where Aunt Ruth looks at when scanning the room.

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The design on Betty's t-shirt is of a woman with wings (fairy/fantasy?)

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Diane wears a wedding ring on the right hand, symbolizing an openly lesbian relationship.... or is it for a woman who has been married and since divorced?

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The totally ridiculous angle:
1. Club Silencio looks suspiciously like Ford Theater in DC
2. Blue hair lady is sitting in the same position and balcony that Abraham Lincoln sat
3. Abe represents division: North vs South (blue was the color of most union forces); red and blue; ying and yang; blond and brunette, etc
4. The death/assassination signifies the end of the division; civil war over; Diane and Camilla joined together in heaven/limbo after their strife in reality... or something

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The pearl earrings are only seen at the accident scene and at the party.

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When Betty and Rita come back from Club Silencio with the blue box as they enter the apartment, we hear the door unlock twice, then shut twice, both in and out of sync with the action.

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David Lynch clue: "Who gives a key and why?"
* Only one key is given in the film. The key that Coco gives to Betty. The hitman doesn't give a key. He *leaves* it for Dianne. Moreover Betty doesn't touch Rita's blue key either.
* There's a sleight of hand going on here. The viewers are lured to focusing on the blue keys. But neither is ever "given". So if the Coco key is a clue, then Coco's relationship with the two main protagonists needs further examining.

Which segues into....
The Coco as CO-COnspirator theory:
* Coco's role at the pool party is interesting - it is the first time we find out she is Adam's mother, and she has some interesting reactions to people, particularly to Camilla/Rita.
* Coco's not too happy with her son marrying Rita/Camilla. It's obvious at the party. Dianne's not too happy with Adam marrying Rita/Camilla. Could Coco and Dianne have got together after the party to plan a hit?
* Coco says to Betty: "If there is trouble-GET RID OF IT"

More conspiracy theories:
* Co-co and the Cowboy:
o In the first lesbian scene between Rita & Betty right before Rita takes off her towel, she takes off her wig then "fixes" her hair. Above the mirror, Aunt Ruth has a collection of hats - one of which is a cowboy hat.
o Coco says "horse pucky" at one stage.
* Blond Camilla theory:
o Blond Camilla has lipstick on her face after kissing brunette Camilla - Judas Kiss?
o Blond Camilla whispers something: is it "I'll see you outside later"?? Is she a "decoy" to lure Camilla/Rita outside?

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Relationship between the accident and the suicide:

Two grey cars cause the accident = Two grey-haired people cause Diane to suicide
The smoke that comes from the fire in the bonnet is similar to the smoke in the room after Diane suicides

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In the second half of the movie, Diane encounters the cowboy twice. Ergo, she has done a bad thing.

Cowboy used the term "see me twice" not encounter me twice. This encounter twice is also highly dubious as a different actress is credited with being on the bed when the cowboy opens the door. It is possible that this is another (uncredited) version of Diane but since Diane is credited with seeing the Cowboy at the party it still leaves the count one short.

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Betty leaves on the top level of LAX when arrivals are on the bottom.

I'll add that to the goof thread ... I didn't see this posted here. Are all of these points listed from this forum or does it include other sources?

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"DIANE SELWYN CAMILLA RHODES" is an anagram of "WOE IS LYNCH: DIANE DREAMS ALL"

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Similarities with the film "Contempt" (or "Le Mepris") by Jean-Luc Godard, starring Brigitte Bardot:
* "Silencio" is the last line of both films.
* Both films contain dialogue from at least three languages.
* "Contempt"'s main character is Camille
* Camille is seen wrapped in a red towel
* Camille, a blonde, is seen wearing a brunette wig
* Camille is nude more than once in the film
* "Contempt" involves the troubles in making a film version of Homer's "Odyssey", while "Mulholland Drive" involves the troubles in making a film called "The Sylvia North Story"
* "Contempt" takes place in 1963 - "The Sylvia North Story" takes place in the early '60s.
* Camille gets into an early '60s convertible with a film producer who makes a pass at her - Camilla gets into an early '60s convertible with a film director who kisses her
* In "Contempt", the audience is shown the text "il cinema e un invenzione senza avvenire", which is a quote by Louis Lumiere - In 1995, Lynch directed one of the scenes in the film "Lumiere and Company", dedicated to the legendary Lumiere Brothers
* "Contempt" is a French film, partly made by American money - "Mulholland Drive" is an American film, partly made by French money
* The first "Contempt" poster is reminiscent of the "Mulholland Drive" posters (http://us.imdb.com/Posters?0057345 )

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Similarities with "The Lady from Shanghai"

* Both are rather confusing film noirs
* "The Lady from Shanghai" features Rita Hayworth
* Both movies concern obsessive love, betrayal and personal identity
* For "The Lady from Shanghai", and for this film only, Rita Hayworth had her trademark long, flowing red hair cut short and dyed a shade of blonde known as topaz blonde
* Quotes from TLFS: "Killing you is killing myself. But, you know, I'm pretty tired of both of us."
* "Maybe I'll live so long that I'll forget her. Maybe I'll die trying."

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Telling dialogue:
"...now I've arrived at this dream-place"

boy telling dialogue should be a looong list ..
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Thanks matey for your extremely useful comments. All items were rounded up from the current forums, and not necessarily checked for authenticity. (I should point out I've only seen the film once so far, myself.)

As for the labelling "trivia", I meant it in the way that IMDB uses it: things about the film that might not be obvious on first viewing. I can see that it was perhaps not the correct choice of word, and was certainly not meant to belittle any of the issues that they might raise.

I'll get around to incorporating your edits when I have some spare time.

Thanks
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by TristanLove
"Prostitute smokes and wears jeans of the brand "Diesel", as Diane does in real life."

Real quick as I got to run, "Diesel" jeans my a ss (as you see Diane's a ss in her sheared Levi's shorts/jeans, when she jumped on Camilla on the couch, and the masturbation scene). She's a Levi's girl.
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Tristan,
Yeah, I always wondered about that "Diesel" thing, Even with the zoom button I never seen it. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Good point about IMDB.com. I agree with your definition. I would suggest that theories and such are not trivia and are interpretations rather than hard to know/find tidbits.

Speaking of IMDB .. I'm copying some of their stuff which would be good to include here.

Additional trivia:

Originally filmed in 1999 on a budget of $8 million as a made-for-TV pilot, new scenes were filmed one year later on a $7 million budget given by the French film studio Studio Canal to wrap up the open ending which had been left unresolved in the original version so that a TV series could follow.

The limo that transports Rita/Camilla Rhodes has the license plate 2GAT123. The same California license plate also appears in Beverly Hills Cop II (1987), L.A. Story (1991), Traffic (2000), Pay It Forward (2000) and Crazy/Beautiful (2001).

When Rita and Betty go to the Sierra Bonita apartment complex, the name next to #17 is L.J. DeRosa - a member of the art department on the film, Laura J. DeRosa.

Betty Claims to be from Deep River, Ontario. This is the name of the apartments in Blue Velvet (1986), another David Lynch film.

Lynch cast TV soap actresses for many of the female roles. By coincidence, Naomi Watts (Diane/Betty), Melissa George (Camilla Rhodes), and Elizabeth Lackey (Carol) were all in the Australian series "Home and Away" (1988).

The film is dedicated to Jennifer Syme, a young actress whose story is startlingly similar to that of the character of Betty - but who in fact died after the bulk of the film was completed.
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[QUOTE]The design on Betty's t-shirt is of a woman with wings (fairy/fantasy?)[/QUOTE]
There's also been talk about it looking like Da Vinci's vitruvian...
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[QUOTE]Blond Camilla whispers something: is it "I'll see you outside later"?? [/QUOTE]
shmoo: Are you sure about this????
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by sphygmo
shmoo: Are you sure about this???? [/QUOTE]
I don't think we're supposed to know what Blonde Camilla says. It's totally as though we're in Diane's shoes, and it's left up to our paranoid imagination.
What did she say?! Is she talking about me - commenting on how pathetic and useless I am?! Or is she soliciting some kind of sexual encounter?!!! Damn, I'll never know. And why are all these people speaking Spanish - I can't understand them... the only other language I know is from taking grade 10 French in Deep River. SPEAK ENGLISH FOR GOD'S SAKE!!! I really wish I had stayed in my apartment... I think I'm going to kill someone....
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by woodlouse
I don't think we're supposed to know what Blonde Camilla says. It's totally as though we're in Diane's shoes, and it's left up to our paranoid imagination.
What did she say?! Is she talking about me - commenting on how pathetic and useless I am?! Or is she soliciting some kind of sexual encounter?!!! Damn, I'll never know. And why are all these people speaking Spanish - I can't understand them... the only other language I know is from taking grade 10 French in Deep River. SPEAK ENGLISH FOR GOD'S SAKE!!! I really wish I had stayed in my apartment... I think I'm going to kill someone....
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Oh. I haven't been viewing MD for quite awhile now. I thought I missed something between the exchange like a close up of the blonde camilla's mouth so we can lip read kinda thing. Seemed Shmoo was seeing something I wasn't so I wanted to clarify. But I guess you're right and am taking your word for it, Woody louse. *blink* WOODlouse. *blink* Woodlouse. I have NO idea why I did that.
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great stuff!!! thanks blu to dig it up.
that is exactly what i needed to fill in the pages ont he website.



we have found a few more clues since this thread died, so an update would be nice.
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Some of this stuff is NOT trivia and some stuff is not correct. Please .... let's not post stuff on a website which makes us look clueless.

Some things are debatable. I don't think that numbers are trivia - if anything should be their own section.


Let's go through some of this stuff ...

MULHOLLAND DRIVE TRIVIA:

The number sixteen:
* When Betty and Rita are walking towards #17 (Sierra Bonita), we see each of them inexplicably look at the apartment next to it: #16. A POV shot of the apartment shows that the outside light is on, yet it's the afternoon.

wrong, at least three apartments show lights on, (including apartment 12) only one shows the light off (number 17). So, if this is trivia, it should be something like the apartment lights are on during the day except for Apartment 17 ... methinks it a weak point of trivia .... either way ..
* As they pass the apartment, Rita brushes past a flower, which is clearly pointing to apartment #16.

so what
* So who lives in #16? Someone named A. Gonzales. In the listing of names in the West Courtyard, Gonzales's name stands out from the rest because it is highlighted in yellow.

others are in yellow and most names listed on the board are crew in the construction/props department - I have a thread on this. To me, that the crew is listed is the trivia point .. if anything
* At the Park Hotel, Adam is staying in #16. Cookie (who is Hispanic) tells him two guys were looking for him and that whoever he's hiding from, they know where he is. In "real life", in apartment #16, Gonzales tells Diane two detectives came by again looking for her, making Diane think that sooner or later they're going to find out where she is.

flat out wrong, Lamp Lady is never identified as Gonzales - further she tells Diane about the detectives in Apt. 17

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In Hebrew, Adam Kesher means "Connection Man"

and ....

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Mathematical oddities:
* According to actor Geno Silva ("Cookie" -- interviewed in Wrapped in Plastic #56), he arrived at the set of the sleazy hotel (actually filmed in the upper offices of the theatre where Club Silencio was shot) to see Lynch himself painting the number 16 on the door. Silva says that for Lynch the numbers had to add up to 7; that for some unexplained reason, Lynch has a fascination with the number 7.

again number stuff ... if anyone has the name of the actual theatre from the article that would be some nice trivia

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Dreams within a dream?
1. Rita lies down to sleep in the bushes in front of the apartments and the detectives appear into the dream.
2. Rita lies down to sleep beneath the counter and the two men at Winkies and the monster appear.
3. Rita continues to sleep beneath the counter and Mr. Roque makes his first appearance. Betty and the sinister old couple also appear. (It's interesting to note, though, that Rita is awake and in the shower when Betty arrives).
4. Rita lies down to sleep again in the bed and Adam Kesher, the Castigliane brothers, and Camilla Rhodes (in the form of a publicity photo) now appear into the dream.
5. Betty checks on Rita and sees that she's still asleep and the hitman soon comes to life in the dream.
6. Rita wakes up with the word "silencio" on her lips

this is just theory stuff .. nothing much to do with trivia

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The mysterious painting
* There is a painting of a young woman on the hallway of Aunt Ruth's house, which is prominent in certain scenes (e.g., it was centered between a shot of Betty and Rita sitting on the couch). In real life, this is a painting by Guido Reni called "Beatrice Cenci"
* Beatrice Cenci was well written about (Shelley, Stendhal, Dickens, Artaud). She was a beautiful teenage girl who lived in Italy in the late 1500's. Her home was a castle known as "La Rocca" (NB Characters in MD are LaRosa and Roque) She is known for killing her brutal father after his incestuous advances. She hired "hit men" to kill him, rather than do it herself. She then resisted interrogation and torture with unswerving courage, but was executed in Rome in 1599.
* Betty/Diane poses similarly like Beatrice is in the portrait - looking over shoulder, eyes to the side.
* Interestingly, art historians are extremely dubious about both the alleged painter and the identity of the sitter (it's all an illusion?)

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The Winkie's mugs are identical to Diane's mug at home.

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Dan (Troubled Guy) mentions that it in his dream it has to be *this* Winkie's because his dream takes place during "half night". (*This* Winkie's is of course on *Sunset* Blvd)

this is just revisiting the film - not trivia

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The Wizard of Oz angle:
* In the scene when we are approaching the graffiti wall behind Winkie's, we see four written characters running down. We see a "P", an "O", a backwards "N", and a "6". Assuming the P & 6 are "placeholders" (to imply a mirror image) the middle letters spell "OZ" when turned on their side and mirrored. (dubious)
* On this wall is a straw-coloured plant that looks very much like a broom.
* Below is written "West Coast" (=Wicked Witch of the West?)
* In the Wizard of Oz, the Winkies were the little people who dress all in yellow, enslaved by the Wicked Witch of the West, and later freed by Dorothy.
* The overriding colour at the Winkies diner is green (emerald?)
* At one point, Betty & Rita are seen walking on a brick walkway.
* Aunt Ruth's last name is Elms (=Auntie Em?)
* Oz = Australia?
* David Lynch has used Wizard of Oz imagery in previous movies (notably Wild at Heart)

to my view this is stuff that would be better served under Lynchian themes than trivia ...


The mysterious Aunt Ruth
* First we see who we believe to be Aunt Ruth at 1612 Havenhurst: a well-dressed red-headed lady with a scarf on, and a taxi driver helping her with her bags.
* Then at the airport while Betty is saying goodbye to the old couple, who walks by around the taxi zone? A well-dressed, red-headed lady with a scarf on, and a man accompanying her, carrying her bags.
* And then at Sierra Bonita, Betty and Rita watch a well-dressed red-headed lady with what appears to be a scarf around her, with a man carring her bags to a limo or towncar.
So, where *is* Aunt Ruth?

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We are told to pay attention to the PIANO ashtray because when Diane's neighbor comes to take it back, this gives us a very clear indication of the sequential order of the following scenes.
Hence, any scene following this scene which has the ashtray on the coffee table is obviously a flashback. Any scene where the ashtray is gone is obviously happening in the present. That's why we are told to pay attention to THE ashtray.
The BATHROBE is a key factor in the same way because that also shows us exactly what scenes are happening in 'realtime'. Therefore the only scenes which are happening in the present are the ones with the dirty gray bathrobe.
Likewise, the COFFEE CUP. Again, Diane gets up, gives back the neighbor her ashtray (in her bathrobe), makes a pot of coffee (in her bathrobe), pours a coffee into the cup and goes to sit on her couch (in her bathrobe), sits and drinks cofee from her cup all day (in her bathrobe), and then shoots herself (in her bathrobe).

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this stuff just recounts things of note from the film - not trivia ...

Sexual abuse threads:

* The Cowboy appears smiling at Dianes bedroom door and says "time to wake up pretty GIRL".
* "Silencio"
* Old people (= parental figures?) appear soon after masturbation scene, and drive Diane to her death
* Ruth = "Grief"
* High-pitched screams (child-like) heard before the old people come out of the bag
* In the beginning of the film the old couple are standing next to Diane/Betty after she won the jitterbug competition. After the close up of Diane standing with them, the image blurs, becomes clear, and blurs again. Diane has this SAME image as she violently masturbates near the end of the film.
* In the script for the TV pilot of Mulholland Drive, we discover Diane grew up with her grandparents.
* The audition scene:
* In this scene she was rehearsing with an actor named WOODY and Betty's character referred to him as Dad's Best Friend. It is obvious that this relationship (in the play they're rehearsing) is VERY inappropriate which is why Betty says "I hate you, I hate us both".
* In the sex scene on the couch, when Camilla says "We shouldn't do this anymore", Diane reacts with anger/resentment/violence. (This scene parallels the audition scene)
* In Club Silencio, everyone in the audience is female. One of them bears a striking resemble to Sheryl Lee who played Laura Palmer in Twin Peaks (who was abused by her father).
* Peculiar violence in the masturbation scene
* Director: "Don't make it real until it gets real"
* David Lynch first published his "10 clues" in The Guardian newspaper (incest... guardian... gettit?... ah, never mind)

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[/b] themes of the film .. theories .. not triva [/b]
More meaningless numerology:

When the car wreck is being searched there is a fire truck and an ambulance present. Written on the ambulance is, of course, 911. Written on the fire truck is 119. Later on, during the casting session with Adam there is a clock, as part of the small piece of scenery above the heads of the actors. The hour hand on the clock is on 9 and the minute hand seems to be on 11.

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Prostitute smokes and wears jeans of the brand "Diesel", as Diane does in real life. yeah, trivia ... is it true?

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The design on Betty's t-shirt is of a woman with wings (fairy/fantasy?)

don't think the graphic has been successfully figure out yet let alone whether it is a man or woman ..

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Diane wears a wedding ring on the right hand, symbolizing an openly lesbian relationship.... or is it for a woman who has been married and since divorced?

speculation .. not trivia

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The pearl earrings are only seen at the accident scene and at the party.

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When Betty and Rita come back from Club Silencio with the blue box as they enter the apartment, we hear the door unlock twice, then shut twice, both in and out of sync with the action.

there is some interesting things going on with the door, but this bit is totally wrong either way, its not trivia

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Which segues into.... more stuff not trivia ... seems to me there is a difference between things to consider/look out for and trivia
The Coco as CO-COnspirator theory:
* Coco's role at the pool party is interesting - it is the first time we find out she is Adam's mother, and she has some interesting reactions to people, particularly to Camilla/Rita.
* Coco's not too happy with her son marrying Rita/Camilla. It's obvious at the party. Dianne's not too happy with Adam marrying Rita/Camilla. Could Coco and Dianne have got together after the party to plan a hit?
* Coco says to Betty: "If there is trouble-GET RID OF IT"

More conspiracy theories:
* Co-co and the Cowboy:
o In the first lesbian scene between Rita & Betty right before Rita takes off her towel, she takes off her wig then "fixes" her hair. Above the mirror, Aunt Ruth has a collection of hats - one of which is a cowboy hat.
o Coco says "horse pucky" at one stage.
* Blond Camilla theory:
o Blond Camilla has lipstick on her face after kissing brunette Camilla - Judas Kiss?
o Blond Camilla whispers something: is it "I'll see you outside later"?? Is she a "decoy" to lure Camilla/Rita outside?

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Relationship between the accident and the suicide:

Two grey cars cause the accident = Two grey-haired people cause Diane to suicide
The smoke that comes from the fire in the bonnet is similar to the smoke in the room after Diane suicides

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In the second half of the movie, Diane encounters the cowboy twice. Ergo, she has done a bad thing.

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Betty leaves on the top level of LAX when arrivals are on the bottom. Continuity errors (there are many of them) might be their own section - IMDB lists them separately from trivia and I think we should too

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"DIANE SELWYN CAMILLA RHODES" is an anagram of "WOE IS LYNCH: DIANE DREAMS ALL"

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Similarities with the film "Contempt" (or "Le Mepris") by Jean-Luc Godard, starring Brigitte Bardot:
* "Silencio" is the last line of both films.
* Both films contain dialogue from at least three languages.
* "Contempt"'s main character is Camille
* Camille is seen wrapped in a red towel
* Camille, a blonde, is seen wearing a brunette wig
* Camille is nude more than once in the film
* "Contempt" involves the troubles in making a film version of Homer's "Odyssey", while "Mulholland Drive" involves the troubles in making a film called "The Sylvia North Story"
* "Contempt" takes place in 1963 - "The Sylvia North Story" takes place in the early '60s.
* Camille gets into an early '60s convertible with a film producer who makes a pass at her - Camilla gets into an early '60s convertible with a film director who kisses her
* In "Contempt", the audience is shown the text "il cinema e un invenzione senza avvenire", which is a quote by Louis Lumiere - In 1995, Lynch directed one of the scenes in the film "Lumiere and Company", dedicated to the legendary Lumiere Brothers
* "Contempt" is a French film, partly made by American money - "Mulholland Drive" is an American film, partly made by French money
* The first "Contempt" poster is reminiscent of the "Mulholland Drive" posters (http://us.imdb.com/Posters?0057345 )

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Similarities with "The Lady from Shanghai"

* Both are rather confusing film noirs
* "The Lady from Shanghai" features Rita Hayworth
* Both movies concern obsessive love, betrayal and personal identity
* For "The Lady from Shanghai", and for this film only, Rita Hayworth had her trademark long, flowing red hair cut short and dyed a shade of blonde known as topaz blonde
* Quotes from TLFS: "Killing you is killing myself. But, you know, I'm pretty tired of both of us."
* "Maybe I'll live so long that I'll forget her. Maybe I'll die trying."

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seems to me drawn out comparison of films should be in their own section and not trivia

I started a new trivia thread hoping we can do better than this - I also updated my post to this thread from IMDB as well.
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i think u already corrected his listing. i noticed.

i have parted numerology stuff and specific matter on specific pages (like cast, or various theme)

keep in mind that the website is underconstruction and not yet published. so nothing is definitive, only displayed for everyone to access it and comment.

so u are welcome to suggest a classification of those tidbits of infos in sub sections like Trivia, goofs, details, dubious, questions...
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