Organic origin of Diane's Neurosis

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Re-reading the psychological threads inspired me to look for a more ORGANIC origin explaining Diane?s state of mind.

?Free-association? theories about Mulholland Drive has opened the door to an even more disturbing and abstract schemata of Diane?s mind. It isn?t even a schemata, scratch the word. MD viewers are treating it more like Rorschach?s card number IV. The more absurd the interpretation, the better. At least it?s entertaining, if not enlightening.

So here?s my latest theory.

PEDUNCULAR HALLUCINOSIS. A rather rare neurological condition causing apparently sane patients to see ?small, cartoon-like characters?. *gasp* Ring a bell?

MAYBE?Diane had an undiagnosed brainstem tumor. Causing her to see things that aren?t there?ADDING to the already-established STRESSES in her life (i.e. two detectives, pool party etc.).

She tried to dream, yes, to try and reduce or work out her anxiety (a la Freudian Dream Analysis Theory). I even suspect her to suffer a form of hypersomnia. An obvious defense mechanism her brain has deviced to try and rid her of her ?demons.?

Unfortunately, though, before she was able to resolve any of her internal conflicts by modifying her obviously affected sleep-wakefulness cycle?she saw the little old people through that little crack under her door which drove her to suicide.

Which I guess is for the best.

Diane, after all, didn?t seem the type who?d have medical insurance. MRI?s cost an arm and a leg, you know.
Mar 30, 2003 3:03 AM
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In general its good to be open-minded to various ideas. My gut reaction is skeptical (but it was to to the movie upon first viewing). ;)

"Tiny people" who would been seen sneaking under the door, would been classically suggestive of delirium, a condition of waxing & waning attention usually caused by an acute "medical condition." One delirium is the "DT's" or "delirium tremens", but this is also seen in hospitals, nursing homes, and can follow a daily "sundowning" pattern. General confusion and disorientation occur in delirium.

On the other hand, a paranoid state, that involved a coherent system of characters consistently recurring & interacting would be a different condition than delirium. A delirious condition could be super-imposed on someone with paranoia, but I don't think it would be a likely explanation to create a long-standing paranoia in an otherwise "normal" person.

A "general medical condition" like a tumor could theoretically cause a psychosis (paranoia)--in other words: anything is possible. :rolleyes: There's a saying in medicine, "when you hear galloping, think of horses not zebras"--in American Society, Hollywood & Lynchland, the common "horses" are drugs, not tumors.

Drugs cause paranoia, and withdrawal & intoxication can cause delirium. But I didn't see any clear evidence of drug use in the whole movie. However, I can understand why people are suspicious about Coca-cola.
Mar 30, 2003 8:17 AM
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sphygmo, you may be onto somwthing with this PEDUNCULAR HALLUCINOSIS lark.

It seems there is another variation where the brain introduces little people into the visual field because it is bored through lack of stimulii.

Was Diane BORED into her insanity?
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One uf the advanntages of bad spellingg is that ir givez uuou an oppertunity to boost MD in the top five when correcting the speling mistakkes.
Mar 31, 2003 7:14 AM
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Rochas, I AM onto something with this PEDUNCULAR HALLUCINOSIS lasagna.

Follow me?

Let?s ?fast forward? into the future.

Okay?I?ll wait for you. Hurry up!

Hehe.

So.

You said?

?It seems there is another variation where the brain introduces little people into the visual field because it is bored through lack of stimulii.

Was Diane BORED into her insanity??

NOT only was Diane BORED?she was also OLD!

Diane + 50(+or -) years = REAL DIANE

Till her dying years in a home, Diane kept reinventing herself (A la Vertigo) in her mind.

BOREDOM + SENILITY + QUARTER-SIZED LESION INVADING (HECK, OBLITERATING) HER RED NUCLEUS = PEDUNCULAR HALLUCINOSIS!!!!

PS: Bravo, Rochas. Somebody did their homework.
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One of the advantages of idleness mixed with a somewhat large vocabulary is the opportunity to boost MD back into the Top 5 whilst conjuring up a string of satirical mélange.
Mar 31, 2003 6:01 PM
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I?m young and bored?what?s YOUR excuse?
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Physical Examination findings of a patient with DELIRIIUM TREMENS:


1.Congested conjunctivae and sclerae

2.Mydriasis with slow reaction to light.

3.READERS TAKE NOTE: Tremulous tongue.*gasp* Camilla, you IDIOT!!!!

4.Coarse, peripheral extremity tremors almost constant. (aggravated by muscular tension such as finger extension)

5.Thready pulse.

6.Elevated temperature, in some cases pyrexia.

7.Moist skin.

8.Hyperreflexia or Areflexia due to neuropathy.

9.Albuminuria.


Hence, I don?t believe in the Delirium Tremens theory. Even Camilla isn?t THAT much of an idiot to pass up on a lover with an INFATIGABLY TREMULOUS TONGUE. She?ll be invaluable. My God.

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Although I DID see Diane set down a glass of alcoholic beverage (not sure what) on the coffee table during the second sex scene. (the one with Go Get Some in the background) ;)

If we're looking for 'physical evidence'...chronic alcoholism may be the 'horse' we're looking for.

Not coke.

Not tumors.

Alcohol.

Galloping happily on the coffee table......







Camilla IS an idiot.

*tsk tsk tsk*

:rolleyes:
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sphyg, this thread kicks more booty than a shaved-down, ticked-off, pistol-whipping Sigourney Weaver jacked up on PCP at 2am behind a convenience store in Fresno while renegotiating her contract with those nimrods that own the Alien franchise

SIGOURNEY WEAVER
I also want to have an intimate make-out scene with Winona, ok?

GORDON CARROLL, DAVID GILER & WALTER HILL
Ouch! Ok!

SIGOURNEY WEAVER
That's... 'Ok, Maam.'

GORDON CARROLL, DAVID GILER & WALTER HILL
Ouch! Ouch!! Ok, Maam!

SIGOURNEY WEAVER
And a really huge trailer, with my own masseuse, chef and electric bucking bronco.

GORDON CARROLL, DAVID GILER & WALTER HILL
Ouch! Ouch!! OUCH!!! Yes Maam!

SIGOURNEY WEAVER
And forty points.

GORDON CARROLL, DAVID GILER & WALTER HILL
Forty points?!?! OUCH OUCH OUCH!!!

SIGOURNEY WEAVER
And forty points.

GORDON CARROLL, DAVID GILER & WALTER HILL
OUCH Forty points, no problem, Maam! OUCH!!!

SIGOURNEY WEAVER
And a small , white persian kitten, called 'Snowflake.'

GORDON CARROLL, DAVID GILER & WALTER HILL
Ouch! Yes Maam!

SIGOURNEY WEAVER
And no more video clip directors...

GORDON CARROLL, DAVID GILER & WALTER HILL
Ouch! OUCH! OUUUUUUUCH!!!!

FADE TO BLACK
Apr 4, 2003 1:35 AM
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I am a bit annoyed by all these yellow LINES under some words in my (and other MD posters?) posts.

It makes them look like they have diarrhea.

Can?t I inactivate it or something?

They could at least change the color or something?gosh.

Look at it?

TREMULOUS

It?s SO UGLY!
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TREMULOUS...

They're not even consistent.

Weird.
Apr 4, 2003 2:21 AM
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Mmm, Sigourney Weaver...

Compare my threads to her anytime, Rochas.

Anytime.

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;)
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Me be Ripley's personal masseuse.

Just look at that masseter...my God.
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..........that spasmodic-looking masseter......


.......my....God...........


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She's very 'The Cure' in this one...

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Friday I'm In Love...

I'm really in love.



PS: Ondina, look how everything leads me back to you.;)
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About 25% of people who are admitted to the hospital for depression suffer from psychotic depression. Psychotic depression is characterized by not only depressive symptoms, but also by hallucinations or delusions. Often psychotically depressed people become paranoid or come to believe that their thoughts aren't their own (thought insertion) or that others can ?hear? their thoughts (thought broadcasting).

Diane was depressed (in an interview Naomi said she'd read an article on depression to prep for the role). Now, can we take the leap from that to assess whether she was psychotically depressed?

(By the way, I've posted the article here somewhere; if anyone's interested I can retrieve it).
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DSM-IV Criteria for Major Depressive Episode:


A. Five (or more) of the following symptoms have been present during the same 2-week period and represent a change from previous functioning; at least one of the symptoms is either (1) depressed mood or (2) loss of interest or pleasure.

Note: Do not include symptoms that are clearly due to a general medical condition, or mood-incongruent delusions or hallucinations.


1. depressed mood most of the day, nearly every day, as indicated by either subjective report (e.g., feels sad or empty) or observation made by others (e.g., appears tearful). Note: In children and adolescents, can be irritable mood.


2. markedly diminished interest or pleasure in all, or almost all, activities most of the day, nearly every day (as indicated by either subjective account or observation made by others).


3. significant weight loss when not dieting or weight gain (e.g., a change of more than 5% of body weight in a month), or decrease or increase in appetite nearly every day. Note: In children, consider failure to make expected weight gains.


4. insomnia or hypersomnia nearly every day.


5. psychomotor agitation or retardation nearly every day (observable by others, not merely subjective feelings or restlessness or being slowed down).


6. fatigue or loss of energy nearly every day.


7. feelings of worthlessness or excessive or inappropriate guilt (which may be delusional) nearly every day (not merely self-reproach or guilt about being sick).


8. diminished ability to think or concentrate, or indecisiveness, nearly every day (either subjective account or as observed by others).


9. recurrent thoughts of death (not just fear of dying), recurrent suicidal ideation without a specific plan, or a suicide attempt or a specific plan for committing suicide.



B. The symptoms do not meet criteria for a mixed episode.


C. The symptoms cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.


D. The symptoms are not due to the direct physiological effects of a substance (e.g., a drug of abuse, a medication) or a general medical condition (e.g., hypothyroidism).


E. The symptoms are not better accounted for by bereavement, i.e., after the loss of a loved one; the symptoms persist for longer than 2 months or are characterized by marked functional impairment, morbid preoccupation with worthlessness, suicidal ideation, psychotic symptoms, or psychomotor retardation.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dave H.

Diane was depressed (in an interview Naomi said she'd read an article on depression to prep for the role). Now, can we take the leap from that to assess whether she was psychotically depressed?
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Indeed.;)


Some things to note:

1. The woman Diane switched apartments with said...'Come on Diane, it's been three weeks'. So if Diane's been this way(meaning what was portrayed to us in the last 1/3 of the movie) for three weeks, it meets DSM's crterion A's time requirement (2 weeks or more I think).

2. Diane looked depressed to us, the audience. (subjective, yes, but it's acceptable, according to DSM-IV) So, criterion A met again.

3. Diane spent most of her time sleeping in this movie (dreaming). Hence, my conclusion she has hypersomnia. I already pointed this out before.

4. Diane shot herself.

5. She was delusional (miniature old folks through her door).

6. She was skinny.
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