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Rick and Morty has been bloodier than Game of Thrones this season.
Aug 18, 2017 4:25 AM
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I am seeing a ton of criticism of Tina Fey on twitter about her bit on last night's Weekend Update. I cringed at the drag queen joke but aside from that I don't understand the vitriol. She was not actually advocating ignoring the news and just eating cake. It was self-deprecation. How are people not understanding that?
Aug 18, 2017 5:16 PM
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It's kind of amazing see a number of great actors very early in their careers on Oz playing tiny roles. I'm only into season two of my re-watch and the list so far includes Anatol Yusef, Matt Ross, Wood Harris, Peter Jacobson, and Dylan Baker.

(OK, if any of those weren't exactly early in their careers, shut up. I had no idea who they were back then, anyway.)
Aug 20, 2017 7:08 AM
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Roughly two-thirds through season one of The Defenders. The dialogue is often painful and it takes a couple episodes for the plot to get moving, but then it does get moving and has a lot of good, dumb, entertaining action. One satisfying part of the show is that numerous characters point out how dumb the Iron Fist is, both as a mythology and in the way Danny Rand is just a dumb person. It's amazing they don't knock him out more often.

Luke Cage suddenly went from pretty good to bad after a certain character's death, so I will reserve judgment on The Defenders until I reach the end of the season, but I am going to temporarily rank it as the best Marvel Netflix show based on its (eventual) exciting pace and its ability to finally explain The Hand relatively sensibly and turn them into more understandable villains. Sigourney Weaver is great.

The Defenders
Luke Cage season 1 (giving it lenience for weak last half)
Jessica Jones
Daredevil season 1
Daredevil season 2
Iron Fist season 1

Dunno, didn't give that ranking too much thought, could be convinced to change it fairly easily. I quibbled a bit about Jessica Jones and Daredevil season 1, mostly because of how much David Tennant and Vincent D'Onofrio redeem those shows.
Aug 21, 2017 12:17 PM
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wirthlingRoughly two-thirds through season one of The Defenders. The dialogue is often painful and it takes a couple episodes for the plot to get moving, but then it does get moving and has a lot of good, dumb, entertaining action. One satisfying part of the show is that numerous characters point out how dumb the Iron Fist is, both as a mythology and in the way Danny Rand is just a dumb person. It's amazing they don't knock him out more often.

Luke Cage suddenly went from pretty good to bad after a certain character's death, so I will reserve judgment on The Defenders until I reach the end of the season, but I am going to temporarily rank it as the best Marvel Netflix show based on its (eventual) exciting pace and its ability to finally explain The Hand relatively sensibly and turn them into more understandable villains. Sigourney Weaver is great.

The Defenders
Luke Cage season 1 (giving it lenience for week last half)
Jessica Jones
Daredevil season 1
Daredevil season 2
Iron Fist season 1

Dunno, didn't give that ranking too much thought, could be convinced to change it fairly easily. I quibbled a bit about Jessica Jones and Daredevil season 1, mostly because of how much David Tennant and Vincent D'Onofrio redeem those shows.

Luke Cage struck me as the least shitty of these shows and I still didn't finish it or get to the part that you're talking about where it turned. My general sense is that all of these shows need to be substantially trimmed into something like a four episode mini-series. Way too much useless talking and too many poorly choreographed action scenes. They need more hallway fights from episode #2 of Daredevil and less of just about everything else.
Aug 21, 2017 1:54 PM
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wirthlingI am seeing a ton of criticism of Tina Fey on twitter about her bit on last night's Weekend Update. I cringed at the drag queen joke but aside from that I don't understand the vitriol. She was not actually advocating ignoring the news and just eating cake. It was self-deprecation. How are people not understanding that?


I thought it was just self-deprecation until the last line. When she says "don't show up, let these morons scream into the void." That was her call to action.
Aug 21, 2017 2:27 PM
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wirthlingI am seeing a ton of criticism of Tina Fey on twitter about her bit on last night's Weekend Update. I cringed at the drag queen joke but aside from that I don't understand the vitriol. She was not actually advocating ignoring the news and just eating cake. It was self-deprecation. How are people not understanding that?

I'm with you, there's no way the average height of a drag queen is 6'4'', unless you're counting the boots.
Aug 21, 2017 3:10 PM
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wirthlingI am seeing a ton of criticism of Tina Fey on twitter about her bit on last night's Weekend Update. I cringed at the drag queen joke but aside from that I don't understand the vitriol. She was not actually advocating ignoring the news and just eating cake. It was self-deprecation. How are people not understanding that?


I thought it was just self-deprecation until the last line. When she says "don't show up, let these morons scream into the void." That was her call to action.

Didn't she qualify that with something like "this comes from my concern about good people getting hurt"? I took that like it was a bit of reflexive motherly protectiveness -- once again, in a self-deprecating way -- more than an actual suggestion that people shouldn't confront nazis. But maybe I'm reading more into her intent than I should, I dunno.
Aug 21, 2017 3:35 PM
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Zuben
wirthlingRoughly two-thirds through season one of The Defenders. The dialogue is often painful and it takes a couple episodes for the plot to get moving, but then it does get moving and has a lot of good, dumb, entertaining action. One satisfying part of the show is that numerous characters point out how dumb the Iron Fist is, both as a mythology and in the way Danny Rand is just a dumb person. It's amazing they don't knock him out more often.

Luke Cage suddenly went from pretty good to bad after a certain character's death, so I will reserve judgment on The Defenders until I reach the end of the season, but I am going to temporarily rank it as the best Marvel Netflix show based on its (eventual) exciting pace and its ability to finally explain The Hand relatively sensibly and turn them into more understandable villains. Sigourney Weaver is great.

The Defenders
Luke Cage season 1 (giving it lenience for week last half)
Jessica Jones
Daredevil season 1
Daredevil season 2
Iron Fist season 1

Dunno, didn't give that ranking too much thought, could be convinced to change it fairly easily. I quibbled a bit about Jessica Jones and Daredevil season 1, mostly because of how much David Tennant and Vincent D'Onofrio redeem those shows.

Luke Cage struck me as the least shitty of these shows and I still didn't finish it or get to the part that you're talking about where it turned. My general sense is that all of these shows need to be substantially trimmed into something like a four episode mini-series. Way too much useless talking and too many poorly choreographed action scenes. They need more hallway fights from episode #2 of Daredevil and less of just about everything else.

If you don't mind having it spoiled for you, the turning point I'm talking about is when [spoiler]Cottonmouth, a complex and compelling villain, dies and is replaced as the primary antagonist by the ridiculously poorly-motivated, under-explained Diamondback and his magic silly bullets.[/spoiler]

Some of the conversations characters have in these shows are good but for the most part it's just rehashing the same ideas and tropes. (I swear, an obviously distressed character says "I'm fine" every single episode.) If they can figure out how to alternate between hallway fights and occasional meaningful conversations they will have a good formula going.
Aug 21, 2017 3:44 PM
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I enjoyed both seasons of Daredevil and Jessica Jones was very solid, while quite overlong. I haven't gotten past the first episode of Luke Cage, and Iron Fist is just not going to happen. At this rate, neither will The Defenders, for me.

Those series are unquestionably overlong and shouldn't be anymore than 8 episodes per, max. Because none of them are "great," I'm finding it harder to justify the commitment to watching something close to mediocrity.
Aug 21, 2017 4:30 PM
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I hope the end of last night's Twin Peaks means Good Coop is finally going to be fully awake next week. I didn't catch what it was in the TV show or movie he was watching that set him off, though. Did anyone else??
Aug 21, 2017 4:31 PM
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wirthlingI am seeing a ton of criticism of Tina Fey on twitter about her bit on last night's Weekend Update. I cringed at the drag queen joke but aside from that I don't understand the vitriol. She was not actually advocating ignoring the news and just eating cake. It was self-deprecation. How are people not understanding that?


I thought it was just self-deprecation until the last line. When she says "don't show up, let these morons scream into the void." That was her call to action.

Didn't she qualify that with something like "this comes from my concern about good people getting hurt"? I took that like it was a bit of reflexive motherly protectiveness -- once again, in a self-deprecating way -- more than an actual suggestion that people shouldn't confront nazis. But maybe I'm reading more into her intent than I should, I dunno.


I want to be on Tina Fey's side but I think it was tone deaf. I'm not mad, just disappointed.
Aug 21, 2017 7:25 PM
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Halt and Catch Fire went from being a little before my time to pure childhood nostalgia.
Aug 22, 2017 4:29 AM
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wirthlingI didn't catch what it was in the TV show or movie he was watching that set him off, though. Did anyone else??

Sunset Boulevard
Aug 22, 2017 4:48 AM
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wirthlingI hope the end of last night's Twin Peaks means Good Coop is finally going to be fully awake next week. I didn't catch what it was in the TV show or movie he was watching that set him off, though. Did anyone else??

Oh my god, seriously fuck you wirthling.
Aug 22, 2017 5:22 AM
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wirthlingI still am awaiting DVDs of season two for both Archer and Justified. Thanks for rubbing it in, jerks.


eta: Uh, so quote functions are now...novel and abstruse I guess...and random periods which I will delete show up on my question marks. Is HTML advancing or regressing? Or am I just a luddite?

[quote]Archer's season 3 premiere was pretty hilarious. :fresh:[/quote]

Archer is annoying. Worth seeing every episode once then not to bother in the future because why bother. Justified as I've said is meth porn. Also worth watching well....at least in the first season. After that, just ridiculous. Goggins and Olyphant can't save every show, you white devils.

Seriously, what viewer is eagerly awaiting Archer and Justified DVD collections? Charmed alone beats the fuck out of each of those shows in every sense of quality except for improvement of cameras. And Charmed's last season which kind of sucked.

I can't even explain how much we now differ Wirthling. A bitter season, a dark time. If we meet at some point in a room with you and your DVD collection, I can't even say I wouldn't do bad things. And if so I would even by doing that for YOUR SAKE. While like, crying all the time.
If you next are awaiting your Walking Dead collection DVD, then god help you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBlMrGgpwXE

Also kind of on-topic: It's a shame that Cold Case isn't available on DVD or as any kind of collection, due I guess to having to pay funds for copywrighted songs. That was a great series which made me cry several times and now it's gone forever, whether by DVD, and also by networks unwilling to give repeats. And ironically the songs there were incredibly apt for each particular episode?
Retard on the tracks. 1920's black and white lesbians destroyed. Old ass people escaping from a prison break and riding away. Tell me you didn't weep. And I'll tell you someone who hasn't seen those episodes?
Aug 22, 2017 8:12 AM
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wirthlingI always have a hard time coming up with a "best shows" list and it is getting more difficult every year. I don't understand how anyone can NOT watch as much TV as I do. FOMO, mofos.

1, Homicide: Life on the Street
2. Seinfeld
3. The Simpsons
4. Law and Order
Not hard.
Also (even if you disagree with that), ?not hard to figure that "Justified" and "Archer" wouldn't even make the top 50 list. And perchance, nor, the top 100.?

Fucking hell, apostrophes and periods and commas. What a shitty ass website. Did you exchange a proper professional for your kid, you Rotten Tomatoes incompetent person? Anyway, no not hard. No harder to list best series than to do proper HTML. Oh. Well, okay, I guess some people struggle with that. You turn periods into questions marks, and such, you utter incompetent.

Whether a lower level coding monkey or the big cheese: explain yourself and why you are so incompetent that periods equal apostrophes and question marks. Pathetic. Explain. Fix this.
Aug 22, 2017 9:27 AM
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Zuben
wirthlingI hope the end of last night's Twin Peaks means Good Coop is finally going to be fully awake next week. I didn't catch what it was in the TV show or movie he was watching that set him off, though. Did anyone else??

Oh my god, seriously fuck you wirthling.

I didn't catch what it was in my post that set Zuben off. Did anyone else? Was it not recognizing Sunset Boulevard? I was having trouble making out the audio. Or is my expressing hope that Good Coop is going to wake up soon a spoiler somehow? Talking about something "setting him off"? Given that Dougie/Coop has been triggered by various things along the way, like coffee and pie, I didn't think that was any kind of revelation. Or is it just that something crawled up Zuben's ass and died and is rotting and making him cranky? I honestly have no idea.
Aug 22, 2017 10:22 AM
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wirthlingI hope the end of last night's Twin Peaks means Good Coop is finally going to be fully awake next week. I didn't catch what it was in the TV show or movie he was watching that set him off, though. Did anyone else??

Oh my god, seriously fuck you wirthling.

I didn't catch what it was in my post that set Zuben off. Did anyone else? Was it not recognizing Sunset Boulevard? I was having trouble making out the audio. Or is my expressing hope that Good Coop is going to wake up soon a spoiler somehow?

I haven't seen the new Twin Peaks yet. Is "Good Coop" a spoiler? Or that he'll be awake? To be safe, just go fuck yourself.
Aug 22, 2017 10:34 AM
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wirthlingI hope the end of last night's Twin Peaks means Good Coop is finally going to be fully awake next week. I didn't catch what it was in the TV show or movie he was watching that set him off, though. Did anyone else??

Oh my god, seriously fuck you wirthling.

I didn't catch what it was in my post that set Zuben off. Did anyone else? Was it not recognizing Sunset Boulevard? I was having trouble making out the audio. Or is my expressing hope that Good Coop is going to wake up soon a spoiler somehow?

I haven't seen the new Twin Peaks yet. Is "Good Coop" a spoiler? Or that he'll be awake? To be safe, just go fuck yourself.

I will go fuck myself just in case, but no, anyone watching the show would consider the existence of "Good Coop" a basic plot component. And the "will he wake up" part was just speculation/hope.
Aug 22, 2017 10:41 AM
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